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highprincipleswork

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26. Let me put it this way - these are no more specific than Bernie's plans, 2 be honest. That disproves
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

the poster's major point right there.

Secondly, yes, they do sound alright. And very similar to Bernie's in many instances, if sometimes watered down. They sound fine.

And I've been making the point for a number of weeks now that not only could Hillary win the election, not only could she unify the party, not only could she be the first woman President, but she could be the first woman President as great as FDR - if only she would stay true to the Progressive roots of the Democratic Party as established mid 1900's.

Those of us who no longer believe in the Clinton mystique because we've seen past it, don't trust her to keep her word till the election is over, much less while in office.

It's one or both of two things - either the Clintons and the Democratic establishment don't believe the Reagan Revolution is now officially dead, declared dead in fact by none other than Donald Trump, or they simply are a bunch of pig-sucking Conservatives who want to be in bed with Wall Street. Because they keep going back that way, and they keep doing it in disgusting ways.

The DNC is currently disgusting, and I will never donate to them again in their present form.
The shenanigans around making sure people are enfranchised in every primary are disgusting, and totally unnecessary, unless you're clinging too tightly to what you feel is your destiny instead of simply winning a primary because you're better.
I don't want to vote for anybody because somebody else is worse or they are going to implode. I want to vote for somebody because they're clearly better.
I don't want to see a national convention torn apart because people feel underrepresented. Hillary and the Democratic Party should be making major inroads right now to make friends and peace with the Bernie camp. Instead they seem to be planning for war, and if that is their attitude I am quite sure they are going to get it and suffer for it along with the rest of us.

Hillary has pretty much been sticking and even expanding her Progressive policies, so far, and that's a good sign. But she also seems to be signaling to Wall Street that they've got nothing to worry about. That's troubling.

Finally, she's got an FBI investigation over her head, and to be honest I don't think that what she did is right or legal. That to me is a big problem hanging over all our heads and until it is verifiably over we are all in danger.

That's what I have to say. I really dislike people parroting what they've heard about Bernie's plans not being tight enough. They are plenty tight, and he believes in and is going for the right things. The main points of my post were that that's enough for me, and compounded with my airtight belief in his follow-through, that's what makes me a Bernie supporter.

I don't want to be fooled or disappointed by the Clintons again. If she becomes the nominee, I hope I won't be. And I'd like to invite you and other Progressives (if you consider yourself one) to communicate clearly with your candidate that our hopes and dreams are to some degree living and dying with her. She really could be great, truly great, or she could let us down, which I also think is the way she would be defeated.

Poor people seeing a doctor. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #1
Would you care to address any of my criticisms? CrowCityDem May 2016 #9
I just did. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #24
What is outrageous? They are real, serious consequences Bernie never talks about. CrowCityDem May 2016 #25
OK, so you got a problem with Bernie starting from a position that allows actual compromise KPN May 2016 #2
There is no evidence of that. He has not proposed a coherent program. Gomez163 May 2016 #13
There is no health plan that is "less generous" than the one that people with no insurance have... Human101948 May 2016 #3
Is this your GOTV effort with Sanders supporters? AgingAmerican May 2016 #4
My experience with BS supporters in real life.... Txbluedog May 2016 #5
Those things need to be done... scscholar May 2016 #6
Details are how you do it. Without them right, you have nothing. CrowCityDem May 2016 #10
Funny. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #7
Your experience is your experience Txbluedog May 2016 #19
Is that actually true? You know Hillary supporters that say that we shouldn't help the poor? YouDig May 2016 #21
Yes, that is the problem. You are correct about all of them. YouDig May 2016 #8
The problem with offering to pay for college is the law of supply and demand. Gomez163 May 2016 #15
You obviously don't think they're bunk. You admit that you "don't disagree with the goals". highprincipleswork May 2016 #11
Goals are not plans. The goal is fine, the plan to get there is bunk. CrowCityDem May 2016 #12
Thank you policy advisor central. Now how about you deal with the rest of what i had to say, which highprincipleswork May 2016 #17
Which things that Hillary shoots for do you not want? YouDig May 2016 #22
Let me put it this way - these are no more specific than Bernie's plans, 2 be honest. That disproves highprincipleswork May 2016 #26
That's a thoughtful answer. YouDig May 2016 #28
Can you explain to me how and why Dems are "on defense"? highprincipleswork May 2016 #31
Because the GOP controls congress and most state legislatures. YouDig May 2016 #32
These kind of "fact" and the defeatist attitude around them get us nowhere. highprincipleswork May 2016 #33
I'm being realistic. Cynical? Sure. But am I wrong? YouDig May 2016 #37
You utterly failed to "correct the record" arcane1 May 2016 #14
Based on what? Gomez163 May 2016 #16
So you use the "correct the record" line on everyone? YouDig May 2016 #23
It is far better to propose nothing, rather than something progressive that we need and want. imagine2015 May 2016 #18
I prefer a more moderate, but workable, plan to a more liberal, but bunk, one. CrowCityDem May 2016 #20
His 'College for All Act' is Eric J in MN May 2016 #27
It never amazes me to see Hillary supporters do everything they can to dismiss liberal ideas. bunchofpenguins May 2016 #29
You need to read what I said again: CrowCityDem May 2016 #30
Energy hellofromreddit May 2016 #34
Such bunk... basselope May 2016 #35
Not bunk. CrowCityDem May 2016 #36
Bull doo doo basselope May 2016 #38
Saying the same thing for decades better than constantly transforming, nc4bo May 2016 #39
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