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mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
96. Nope. He won't go Green, or Independence or whatever either.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

I've been involved in various campaigns over the last 50 years and, frankly, the Democratic primary is nothing like any number of local, state and national elections I've observed.

The "shenanigans" everyone is complaining about, and the problems with "misplaced votes" and all the rest have been common place for decades in this nation. The lies spread by the media have been a crucial part of every campaign since Barry Goldwater dropped an A-bomb on that little girl in the meadow.

Way back when, when this all started with "not good enough, Bernie" I posted a warning to everyone about what was coming down the road. My only mistake was in not recognizing how shameless Camp Weathervane would be, how little regard for the truth they have.

And all I can say at this juncture is that we really should put all efforts, after Philadelphia, into "never Trump. Once that is done the handful of true progressives should refuse to go away, and imitate the Reich Wing's methodology that left them in control of the political infrastructure of this nation at the grassroots level.

The 'net has made it possible for us to be in contact with each other and give voice to the movement that has grown to significance thanks to Sanders' campaign. If we allow it to wither away and disappear THAT will be on us.

No. joshcryer May 2016 #1
Ok why is it you think so? pinebox May 2016 #4
Because he is a man of his word. joshcryer May 2016 #10
You didn't see his speech in Cali last night I'm guessing? pinebox May 2016 #17
I certainly did. joshcryer May 2016 #35
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I think the number is 5. pinebox May 2016 #48
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Sore loser laws don't historically apply to Presidential elections. joshcryer May 2016 #64
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Oh no question it'd be terrible. joshcryer May 2016 #78
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I looked up an old anti-Nader post I wrote. joshcryer May 2016 #83
i despise nader and blame him for the blood of millions spilt by the bush criminals MariaThinks May 2016 #154
Bill Clinton bvf May 2016 #197
What elected office is the Fox News Clenis running for again? Maru Kitteh May 2016 #216
Economic czar, or whatever stupid label bvf May 2016 #219
He'll get the resources if he decides to do it. Donations will roll in. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #195
Ummmm pinebox May 2016 #71
There aren't any 3 person race polls. mythology May 2016 #116
It could also increase the odds for Hillary too pinebox May 2016 #187
Don't read too much in to that speech. joshcryer May 2016 #49
He has upped the rhetoric against the DNC pinebox May 2016 #65
You really don't remember 2008. joshcryer May 2016 #75
I remember it pinebox May 2016 #77
Agreed, Sanders and Clinton have been wearing kids gloves. joshcryer May 2016 #87
The way the Party has treated him and his supporters has more than released him from any obligation. merrily May 2016 #202
The numbers will be less than the PUMAs. joshcryer May 2016 #203
I haven't predicted numbers and I speak real Bernie supporters daily, but I doubt you are correct. merrily May 2016 #209
BOB are 25% PUMA were 54%. joshcryer May 2016 #210
If nothing else, this primary proved debating projected numbers is silly. We'll see soon enough. merrily May 2016 #211
" I won't run a negative campaign" wilt the stilt May 2016 #206
I assure you this has been nothing compared to 2008. joshcryer May 2016 #208
2008 is irrelevant wilt the stilt May 2016 #214
dead line to get on the state ballots has passed. Demsrule86 May 2016 #163
You're incorrect :) pinebox May 2016 #199
Who cares ? He's not a Democrat. That's for sure. Trust Buster May 2016 #2
Yes, back to "indy," but not for this election. Hortensis May 2016 #7
Kim Davis was a "Democrat." Jester Messiah May 2016 #62
Not a Democrat? casperthegm May 2016 #66
What does that mean? He's more of a traditional democrat than most democrats today! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #81
Actually he's a TRADITIONAL Democrat jzodda May 2016 #148
I agree renate May 2016 #220
Ballot access firebrand80 May 2016 #3
Isn't there only 5 states he wouldn't be on? pinebox May 2016 #5
Still, you have to plan ahead of time firebrand80 May 2016 #12
That's true pinebox May 2016 #28
That would mean he would have been lying firebrand80 May 2016 #40
No, it means he changed his mind. pinebox May 2016 #50
He's certainly entitled to change his mind firebrand80 May 2016 #91
"His own agenda" pinebox May 2016 #200
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #52
voter suppression, anti-democratic tactics, probable vote flipping per exit polls, every dirty Kip Humphrey May 2016 #93
Don't you think cannabis_flower May 2016 #108
Possibly yes but possibly no pinebox May 2016 #143
Only Texas and South Dakota have 'sore loser laws' which John Poet May 2016 #134
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No, I think he wouldn't risk making a Trump presidency more likely. And regarding his delegates: femmedem May 2016 #6
I'm not sure myself pinebox May 2016 #9
Missed it, but I am going to listen later today. femmedem May 2016 #31
It is something else pinebox May 2016 #32
Who knows, perhaps after listening I'll change my mind regarding his plans. n/t femmedem May 2016 #36
Video now in my OP pinebox May 2016 #51
I saw part of it. Very powerful and great! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #84
His delegates are the ones that are actually involved politically. joshcryer May 2016 #54
Uncivil behavior Trajan May 2016 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #144
I have a friend here in CT who hopes to be a delegate. femmedem May 2016 #185
I hope he does it Renew Deal May 2016 #8
:) Hortensis May 2016 #11
Hahahahah Sure! pinebox May 2016 #13
Say hello to President Trump if he did. He would never do it, but B Calm May 2016 #16
I'm in Colorado :) pinebox May 2016 #20
I was responding to Renew Deal??? B Calm May 2016 #29
Came back as a reply to me :) pinebox May 2016 #34
That's strange, but I think B Calm May 2016 #46
hahahah I don't smoke myself pinebox May 2016 #55
I'll sell you a clue. JTFrog May 2016 #110
!!! zappaman May 2016 #136
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I don't think he will, but I think he should pengu May 2016 #14
After his speech in Cali last night pinebox May 2016 #15
I haven't watched it, but I'll make a point to watch it later pengu May 2016 #21
Check it out pinebox May 2016 #30
If you find a link, please update this post pengu May 2016 #37
I'm looking now but so far no go pinebox May 2016 #38
I see you updated! pengu May 2016 #53
ya I found it pinebox May 2016 #57
Some people can afford a President Trump nt firebrand80 May 2016 #18
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I was opposed to it until recently dana_b May 2016 #160
No. Not a snowflake's chance in hell. He's represented me for over 25 years. cali May 2016 #19
I'm not sure especially after his speech last evening in California pinebox May 2016 #24
I am positive. cali May 2016 #45
You were wrong about Oregon pengu May 2016 #56
I'm not. pinebox May 2016 #58
If he did that, he'd sacrifice his reputation and career. cali May 2016 #70
And if he gets screwed over royally in Philadelphia, then what? Art_from_Ark May 2016 #193
Joe Scarborough and Mika are promoting a Bernie Indy run. oasis May 2016 #61
Sure puffy socks May 2016 #22
Stay the course is what Reagan democrats said before they started the DLC SwampG8r May 2016 #99
I'm happy to answer your question. Jim Lane May 2016 #176
Wrong! bzzzzt!!!!... puffy socks May 2016 #177
Check your facts. Jim Lane May 2016 #180
Only if Bernie hates America enough to see trump elected beachbumbob May 2016 #23
I'm not so sure pinebox May 2016 #26
I think he'd win a 3 way race pengu May 2016 #42
Do you understand what happens if it is a three way race? The odds increase dramatically that no still_one May 2016 #82
I'd take a Bernie win with the house screwing him over a Clinton or Trump win pengu May 2016 #88
That's beyond idiotic. nt Codeine May 2016 #90
Shrug pengu May 2016 #122
Supporters of 3rd party candidates have a consistent misunderstanding of the way things work. baldguy May 2016 #92
Nobody, anywhere, thinks that pengu May 2016 #124
If people didn't think that, then then there would be no 3rd party candidates. baldguy May 2016 #125
Is Hills a person of her word or does she evolve? aspirant May 2016 #114
He has ruled that out BeyondGeography May 2016 #25
In the beginning pinebox May 2016 #27
I think it could go either way. Merryland May 2016 #41
Now isn't the time for clear thinking, but it will come BeyondGeography May 2016 #47
"he will be handled the right way and respond accordingly" Merryland May 2016 #126
You noticed that too? pinebox May 2016 #147
He has my vote in November. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #43
Mine too. n/t djean111 May 2016 #73
He would lose a significant portion of his fundraising that comes from progressives who BobbyDrake May 2016 #44
Interesting thoughts pinebox May 2016 #63
Can you hear the sound of spinning and deflection and misdirection? I can. djean111 May 2016 #72
It's rather loud pinebox May 2016 #74
I think that is wishful thinking. Expressed as "facts". djean111 May 2016 #69
"everyone I know" is called an anecdote, which isn't factual in the slightest. BobbyDrake May 2016 #157
But someone can state with great certainty what Bernie and/or his supporters will do. djean111 May 2016 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #106
Good call. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #151
The common denominator between you and everyone you Ignore is still you. nt BobbyDrake May 2016 #155
How dependable are Hills words? aspirant May 2016 #115
It is important for him to have Hillary lose so he will encourage his supporters Jitter65 May 2016 #67
Are you for real? pinebox May 2016 #76
Be nice now somebody had to draw the Short Straw SwampG8r May 2016 #102
I see no reason to believe his position vis a vis a third party run has changed, or will. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #79
K&R dchill May 2016 #85
I'm not able to play it right now... TDale313 May 2016 #86
He completely slammed the DNC pinebox May 2016 #139
I don't think so gollygee May 2016 #89
I think that Hillary has already decided to take the Democratic Party firmly to the right. djean111 May 2016 #97
We already saw how this played out with Obama. Maedhros May 2016 #153
He isn't classy enough to bow out gracefully. He's busy swan diving into the muck. CrowCityDem May 2016 #94
Unlike yourself SwampG8r May 2016 #103
And Hillary is classy? pinebox May 2016 #140
Nope. He won't go Green, or Independence or whatever either. mikehiggins May 2016 #96
I'm not sure pinebox May 2016 #141
I am sure. Jim Lane May 2016 #179
But he has :) pinebox May 2016 #188
I don't think so. LWolf May 2016 #98
It's interesting pinebox May 2016 #189
I don't think he would, LWolf May 2016 #191
Anyone who thinks Bernie wins in a 3 way is delusional redstateblues May 2016 #212
Nope nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #100
I would like to think that he has more integrity and dignity than that (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #101
Sanders has no integrity after the foolish way he handled the NV chaos. riversedge May 2016 #104
You understand that he can't just get more EVs than Clinton and Trump, right? brooklynite May 2016 #105
How does Hills get a EV majority in a 3-way race? aspirant May 2016 #117
I'm not endorsing a third Party campaign... brooklynite May 2016 #156
Do you endorse "cattle calls"? aspirant May 2016 #171
For entertainment value? You bet. brooklynite May 2016 #172
Does "entertainment" come with principles? aspirant May 2016 #173
I'm guessing if I'd given the $ to Clinton, you wouldn't have thought the principles were any better brooklynite May 2016 #174
Principles aren't for guessing aspirant May 2016 #175
I don't think he'd do an end run declared as Indy woodsprite May 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #109
Fuck Nader. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #111
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service (I was Juror #2) Reter May 2016 #112
LOL Thanks. pinebox May 2016 #119
It's too late. He won't do it. If he was going to do that he should have done it from the beginning. JRLeft May 2016 #113
Actually it isn't pinebox May 2016 #190
Have you been in a coma since last summer? SheilaT May 2016 #118
Actually pinebox May 2016 #120
Well, I'm sorry that you were in the hospital SheilaT May 2016 #127
Here's the thing pinebox May 2016 #129
I believe has has said it SheilaT May 2016 #133
I'm not too sure pinebox May 2016 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Colors May 2016 #166
I heard it. He is right, they blocked him. He has a right to see if he can win. ViseGrip May 2016 #121
A 3-way race aspirant May 2016 #123
Doubt it MuseRider May 2016 #128
Maybe. I'd vote for him if he did. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #130
No, but he has the power to torpedo HRC in an instant if he did. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #131
Cali is the resident Sanders expert SheenaR May 2016 #132
God I hope not. 3 way race = decided by the house = hello President Trump nemo137 May 2016 #137
Yes...go indy now! And keep that whole violent chaos thing going...it sends a great message. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #138
My take is this jzodda May 2016 #145
All this talk of a three way race leaves out the possibility panader0 May 2016 #149
I forgot about that pinebox May 2016 #150
IMO he has justification to. HooptieWagon May 2016 #152
"He'll get more popular votes then Clinton..." brooklynite May 2016 #158
He'll get half the Dems and 2/3 of Indies....about 40% in 3-way race. HooptieWagon May 2016 #161
The sad thing about dreaming is that eventually you wake up... brooklynite May 2016 #167
It's unlikely he runs third party. HooptieWagon May 2016 #168
I agree he has justification to. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #223
It definitely could happen Time for change May 2016 #159
How in the world does that happen? jzodda May 2016 #164
Not yet. But it's now a possiblity. PFunk1 May 2016 #162
Keep in mind that a person can't just say, SheilaT May 2016 #169
Nope nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #170
power is a powerful drug n/t? okieinpain May 2016 #178
He might, and it would do some damage, and of course he'd lose. Would Hillary? ucrdem May 2016 #181
No, it is way too late Demsrule86 May 2016 #182
He could on 99% of them pinebox May 2016 #201
I am voting for Bernie Pastiche423 May 2016 #183
The question is could he get 270 electoral votes trudyco May 2016 #184
Splitting the anti Trump vote gives it to Trump redstateblues May 2016 #213
Nah, no way he'd risk a President Trump redStateBlueHeart May 2016 #186
This is a great article that discusses Bernie going Green... Baaadger May 2016 #192
Hey welcome to DU :) pinebox May 2016 #205
Thanks Baaadger May 2016 #215
One can only hope. The time is right and ripe for a true progressive party in the country. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #194
He won't frustrated_lefty May 2016 #196
He could work out a deal with Jill Stein where she'd be VP and Bernie Pres. pdsimdars May 2016 #198
Check this out pinebox May 2016 #207
I kinda want him to, but if he does, his votes (and voters) will be stolen just like they have been valerief May 2016 #204
He could go indy, but he'd be an instant liar for it. apnu May 2016 #217
Look how much all that lying has hurt Hillary pinebox May 2016 #218
I've seen so many "questions" about third party this past 24 hours. barrow-wight May 2016 #221
I changed my mind. Now I think it could happen. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #222
Yes, the hammer is coming down, everywhere. My post showing two raw videos of NV was just hidden! reformist2 May 2016 #224
They hid it because they know they're wrong Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #227
I agree with you. It's getting crazy. pinebox May 2016 #225
He won't, but he'd help Hillary win if he did: ucrdem May 2016 #226
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