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2016 Postmortem
Showing Original Post only (View all)Bernie's campaign has gone completely off the rails ... [View all]
Excellent points ...
The Democratic party and its Chicago convention were torn apart in 1968 over a fundamental cleavage over the Vietnam War. The Sanders camp is going to blow up the convention to push debate schedule reform? That's amazing. Reform of the primary process is a much more substantive matter. But remember, as I've argued before, the parts of the process most in need of reform (Caucuses and post-election day shenanigans) are the ones helping Sanders the most! Now his whole campaign is based on getting the superdelegates - which for most of the campaign he has said constitute the core anti-democratic aspect of the process - to hand him the nomination. Consistency is an overrated commodity in much of life, especially in politics. But you can't make the logic of your arguments so structurally unsound that they collapse under the weight of their own ridiculousness.
Let's start with a reality check. Does anyone think there weren't enough debates this cycle? Or that they prevented Sanders from winning? As the Times article notes at one point: "Several described the campaigns message as having devolved into a near-obsession with perceived conspiracies on the part of Mrs. Clintons allies." Indeed.
It is painfully conspicuous how little the Sanders camp is now pressing its issue agenda as its chances of winning the nomination have diminished. On the contrary, it's debates and a 'rigged' primary process, points that are either trivial and nonsensical or hypocritical inasmuch as the 'rigged' parts of the process are the ones the Sanders' campaign has used most effectively. The process reforms Sanders is now marching to the convention for seem like little more than attempts to prosecute and vindicate his overarching claim that the primary process in which he lost was illegitimate. In other words, his justification for continuing is mostly a feedback loop of his refusal to accept that he came close but ultimately lost.
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From what I can tell, the current Sanders campaign is riven between people who are increasingly upset or bewildered by what we might call the resurgent "burn it down" turn of Sanders outlook and others who are fully immersed in the feedback loop of grievance and paranoia that sees all the political events of the last year as a series of large and small scale conspiracies to deny the rectitude and destiny of Bernie Sanders. I've seen many, many campaigns. People put everything into it and losing is brutal and punishing. Folks on the losing side frequently go a little nuts, sometimes a lot nuts. The 2008 denouement really was pretty crazy. But it's not clear that this time we have any countervailing force - adulthood, institutional buy-in, future careers, over-riding pragmatism to rein things in.
Let's start with a reality check. Does anyone think there weren't enough debates this cycle? Or that they prevented Sanders from winning? As the Times article notes at one point: "Several described the campaigns message as having devolved into a near-obsession with perceived conspiracies on the part of Mrs. Clintons allies." Indeed.
It is painfully conspicuous how little the Sanders camp is now pressing its issue agenda as its chances of winning the nomination have diminished. On the contrary, it's debates and a 'rigged' primary process, points that are either trivial and nonsensical or hypocritical inasmuch as the 'rigged' parts of the process are the ones the Sanders' campaign has used most effectively. The process reforms Sanders is now marching to the convention for seem like little more than attempts to prosecute and vindicate his overarching claim that the primary process in which he lost was illegitimate. In other words, his justification for continuing is mostly a feedback loop of his refusal to accept that he came close but ultimately lost.
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From what I can tell, the current Sanders campaign is riven between people who are increasingly upset or bewildered by what we might call the resurgent "burn it down" turn of Sanders outlook and others who are fully immersed in the feedback loop of grievance and paranoia that sees all the political events of the last year as a series of large and small scale conspiracies to deny the rectitude and destiny of Bernie Sanders. I've seen many, many campaigns. People put everything into it and losing is brutal and punishing. Folks on the losing side frequently go a little nuts, sometimes a lot nuts. The 2008 denouement really was pretty crazy. But it's not clear that this time we have any countervailing force - adulthood, institutional buy-in, future careers, over-riding pragmatism to rein things in.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sanders-camp-flirts-with-going-full-burn-it-down
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Bernie's followers are political novices and have no idea about rules in place for years
tonyt53
May 2016
#1
Difficult to reason with people who think using Molotov cocktails is a rational political tactic.
baldguy
May 2016
#78
Well said, trying to derail the DNC is not progressive but a cheering squad for the GOP.
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#5
Dismiss Bernie in that way and you will lose a lot of votes that Hillary needs in November.
JDPriestly
May 2016
#16
Your tone is unrealistic...losers don't dictate, and Bernie is going to lose
BeyondGeography
May 2016
#36
No. I want the Democratic nominee to pay attention to what nearly half the party is saying.
Scootaloo
May 2016
#67
Yeah.. What's the matter with her...Wanting to be "Queen"! Doesn't she understand that
skylucy
May 2016
#41
You assume that minorities won't vote for someone with extreme white privilege.
Scootaloo
May 2016
#81
Hahahaha ... well played ... it's astounding that your favored candidate is losing ... nt
salinsky
May 2016
#82
Two peas in a pod then (not), so the one with the most votes and delegates wins. Not rocket science.
brush
May 2016
#85
Doesn't upset me if you think they both benefit from white privilege. All white people do.
brush
May 2016
#92
IMO the DNC and Establishment "Democrats" would rather lose to trump than win with Bernie.
Vincardog
May 2016
#12
Since there is no 'win with Bernie" , there is no need to make that silly claim.
riversedge
May 2016
#29
Here is what I don't get. Just about every negative outcome you mention is as a result of something
upaloopa
May 2016
#20
No we need to STAND UP and demand that our party represent US not the corporations NOW.
Vincardog
May 2016
#13
Hi Jamese---I appreciate and welcome your post. I can tell this isn't your first rodeo. I'm a
skylucy
May 2016
#45
Right now I don't know what Sanders wants. He says he will work to keep Trump form becoming
upaloopa
May 2016
#11
There is nothong you or I can do to stop people voting in CA. I voted in CA last week. Ballots
upaloopa
May 2016
#23
The patent dishonesty has been demonstrated by the HRC campaign. You calling it a fault
Vincardog
May 2016
#24
Please continue and enumerate the "patent dishonesty of the Sanders campaign "
Vincardog
May 2016
#28
Has Hillary got 2382 Pledged delegates? If so it is over if not it is not over. It's not.
Vincardog
May 2016
#39
Bernie needs to change his narrative because the longer he pretends that the ultimate result ...
salinsky
May 2016
#51
Someone needs to tell Bernie that you don't announce an attack. It gives everyone time to talk
eastwestdem
May 2016
#53
Bernie's camp is fine, but David Brock's plan isn't quite firing on all cylinders n/t
davidlynch
May 2016
#56
At this point, reasonable people are finding Bernie's campaign embarrassing.
barrow-wight
May 2016
#64
If one hasn't actually read Bernie's campaign statements this article might be believable.
imagine2015
May 2016
#66