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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Will Bernie be as hated by progressives as Nader [View all]Gothmog
(145,130 posts)94. Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common
Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed
Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/
Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.
"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.
"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."
Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."
Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."
"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.
"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."
Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."
Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."
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At this point his campaign has no reason to exist other than to help Trump. NT
arely staircase
May 2016
#14
To claim that Bernie's running for the express purpose of seeing Donald Trump elected is asinine.
cherokeeprogressive
May 2016
#33
Your claim is that his INTENT is to see Donald Trump elected. Asinine.
cherokeeprogressive
May 2016
#58
Of the 3 presidential candidates still running, Bernie, Hillary and Donald, Bernie is the
Cal33
May 2016
#9
Oh shit, they're bringing Corvair back because Nader ran for President? COOL! I loved the Monzas.
cherokeeprogressive
May 2016
#35
I was going to say the same thing. Some Democrats probably hate Nader, some progressives too...
Bread and Circus
May 2016
#21
The reason progressives don't like Bernie is the fact he is helping Trump. NT
arely staircase
May 2016
#30
I don't hate Nader nor will I hate Sanders. I see no reason to hate people who are progressives.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2016
#27
Well, I'm 72 years old and have probably voted for more Demcrats than most people.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2016
#41
The OP blatantly ignores the fact that Nader always ran Third Party and Bernie is a Democrat.
liberalnarb
May 2016
#91
If He and his Sometimes Democratic Voters Blow the Chance to Control the SCOTUS
Stallion
May 2016
#39
Well Then I'll Blame You and "Democrats" Just Like You that Fail to Support Clinton
Stallion
May 2016
#74
I'm Voting for Clinton So it will be Impossible for me to Negatively Affect her Chances
Stallion
May 2016
#77
Eventually. Now they are too wrapped up in his 'movement'. History will re-write the whole
eastwestdem
May 2016
#40
you mean Hillary's campaign is attempting rewrite what happened in Bush-Gore 2000?
azurnoir
May 2016
#45
Progressives hate Nader. Anyone still defending that POS isn't a progressive.
arely staircase
May 2016
#46
I don't know if I even like the term any longer, I don't think he's a progressive at all... The way
uponit7771
May 2016
#81
Hated for what? Entering a primary and trying to win the nomination. It's called Democracy.
Nanjeanne
May 2016
#98
Bernie has received 9,957,889 votes so far. Ralph Nader recieved 465,642 in 2000.
CentralMass
May 2016
#100
Yes, her attitude and distain for the people and the issues will last a lifetime.
peace13
May 2016
#109
Bernie is the self styled voice of the doomed. Nader sided with no one and nothing.
The_Casual_Observer
May 2016
#116
I voted Gore in 2000, I don't hate Nader. I voted Sanders Tuesday and clearly don't hate him at all.
TheKentuckian
May 2016
#117
Bernie is as loved as ever by those who hold Progressive values. Not so much by the rest.
highprincipleswork
May 2016
#129
No, the Dem party will suffer as being for the elite and against the people ...
slipslidingaway
May 2016
#130
People said this a month ago, and somehow democrats just gave him a lanslide win.
pinskinny
May 2016
#134