2016 Postmortem

JCMach1

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52. Bernie entered that party about 1 year ago. Was that ever going to be easy? Was it ever going to

Fri May 20, 2016, 10:37 AM

May 2016

be easy running against someone who (probably even the President) wanted to be the first female President?

It was never going to be easy. I like Bernie Sanders... always have. However, sorry but Clinton is not a corporatist. Pragmatist, yes...

And sorry, the Party does not deserve animosity. The party is what the people who find themselves inside make it. If you don't like it, push your agenda. Work for it. Change doesn't always happen overnight.

Let me just use the example of Reagan in 1976 (as foul as they are)... his people did not give up. Instead, they took over the party in 1980. If you have the will, are right on the issues and are willing to put in the effort, it can happen. That's the 'movement' Sanders has always been talking about.

Sorry, but it royally pisses me off when I see BOB nonsense everywhere. Have you even been listening to Sanders? Did you ever ask yourself why he joined the Democrats in the first place? He could have easily run as an Independent, no fuss, no muss.

No, he USED the Democratic party as a platform for his message. Sorry, but it would be absolute BS if he walked away from that. I don't think he will by the way.

Sorry Poppet, I have been neutral this cycle. However, I am not neutral about the Party.

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"Rigged!" "Corrupt!" "Conspiracy!"... All a steaming load of horse crap! [View all] RBInMaine May 2016 OP

+1, the black guy won in 08 with the same system Sanders is losing with right now, he's whining.. uponit7771 May 2016 #1

More race baiting. It never stops. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #5

Stating facts about race in America is race baiting to racist uponit7771 May 2016 #6

The Stormfront guys use a similar defense hellofromreddit May 2016 #24

If you can't tell the difference between that and the above then you have bigger problems anigbrowl May 2016 #97

None of that noise you wrote turns bad logic into good logic. hellofromreddit May 2016 #99

Dunning-Kruger effect strikes again. Oh well. nt anigbrowl May 2016 #102

The term "race baiting" is a RW meme. nt BumRushDaShow May 2016 #7

Race baiting is race baiting. It knows know political boundaries. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #11

Pointing out racist responses is not "race-baiting". nt BumRushDaShow May 2016 #12

The point is that he was the underdog, don't be obtuse. nt BootinUp May 2016 #35

+1, they are claiming up and down now that Obama was establishment in 08. They're going into the uponit7771 May 2016 #51

Outrage seems to be in the DNA of some ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #61

C'mon, that's like asking my cat not to shed. MH1 May 2016 #72

I like that... FarPoint May 2016 #32

That's not true. Largely Hillary has been winning with the Obama coalition. apnu May 2016 #40

Obama EARNED all his support in 08 against a similar Clinton candidate, he was a long shot even bein uponit7771 May 2016 #41

Yes, Obama's race was a factor apnu May 2016 #64

Damn, I wish I could Rec and post within a thread! Spot on. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #69

I'm glad I read your entire post, before responding because ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #67

Thank you and well put. apnu May 2016 #68

The DNC+ 33 states money laundering for Hillary is absolutely fucking rigged jfern May 2016 #2

Oh my goodness. What a pathetic load of conspiracy theory nonsense. RBInMaine May 2016 #8

There's no conspiracy theory. It's all been documented. jfern May 2016 #13

So Hillary's 300 more pledged delegates and 3 million more votes don't exist? CRAZY! RBInMaine May 2016 #15

Total non sequitor jfern May 2016 #19

Good. I was hoping they'd get a count of caucus voters. I assume you did since your reporting a Ed Suspicious May 2016 #58

They've been counted again and again, you just choose to ignore it. ContinentalOp May 2016 #70

So, you must be keeping a personal journal. FarPoint May 2016 #34

Denial of factual evidence reflects poorly on your intellect and judgment. JudyM May 2016 #56

NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY THERE! Just Plain Ole Fucking Ethical Behavior! Real Slick! CorporatistNation May 2016 #22

So how did Obama win with the same rules? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #25

This has to be the silliest defense to this issue. aikoaiko May 2016 #43

That's the GE and the SC changed law and didn't allow for FL recount and even made it a one time uponit7771 May 2016 #45

Let's just say that the Clintons have done a lot over the last 8 years to ensure victory. aikoaiko May 2016 #49

Which is good on them, Obama... a long shot...still won with less PD's in 08 than Sanders has now... uponit7771 May 2016 #50

She didn't whine because there was a quid pro quo with Obama on taking care of her debt. aikoaiko May 2016 #55

After she conceded Maru Kitteh May 2016 #94

Obama wouldn't have won if it they had rigged it like they have this time jfern May 2016 #74

What are the rule changes from then to now outside of less PDs? No one else can name them just uponit7771 May 2016 #75

The DNC and 33 state parties money laundering for Hillary jfern May 2016 #80

That's not a DNC rule change and was done in 2008, nice try but you're one of 50 who wont uponit7771 May 2016 #81

That's a total lie, they didn't do this in a contested primary before jfern May 2016 #83

They did the same in 2008, and that's not a DNC rule that money can or can't be sent to down ticket uponit7771 May 2016 #84

Bullshit, the DNC didn't launder funds in a primary for the chosen one before jfern May 2016 #85

Link and quote to "laundering" from a credible source... this is embarassing uponit7771 May 2016 #86

Here jfern May 2016 #87

That's not a link to laundering money, something that's illegal... whatever, sick of CTs on DU uponit7771 May 2016 #88

The article specifically mentions laundering jfern May 2016 #89

As usual you have a claim but no argument to back it up. And that's why you keep losing. nt anigbrowl May 2016 #98

Sorry, we will not accept the results of many, many states until they are fully investigated. reformist2 May 2016 #3

Stop being DELUSIONAL. RBInMaine May 2016 #9

The only one being delusional is yourself coyote May 2016 #82

So interesting that Hillary supporters don't say Sanders' wins have been "rigged." Hm? RBInMaine May 2016 #14

Tell us again the number of these "many" states BS has contested? Maru Kitteh May 2016 #95

It's all rigged and corrupt. Everybody knows it. Professional wrestling used to be "real" too. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #4

And the crazy paranoid conspiracy theories just keep marching along. Good grief. RBInMaine May 2016 #10

Delusion is discounting all of this overwhelming evidence to the contrary: bobbobbins01 May 2016 #16

That video explains the 20% spoiled ballots in the first tier Mnpaul May 2016 #20

Thanks for filling in this piece. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #23

You realize your reply has a taste of Spam. FarPoint May 2016 #37

It might be long but it's factual casperthegm May 2016 #38

I suggested some editing of the post... FarPoint May 2016 #42

Angry socialist fanning the flames....can't accept rejection beachbumbob May 2016 #17

+1, socialist is starting to be mud to me... I don't like they way they act uponit7771 May 2016 #27

If the system is rigged, it’s the worst rigging in the history of rigging. baldguy May 2016 #18

And if she's this good at "rigging," why the loss in 2008? Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #46

It was rigged from the beginning pengu May 2016 #21

The long shot black guy won in 08 against same system Sanders is losing in & is whining about now uponit7771 May 2016 #53

That is probably the stupidest Brocking Point yet pengu May 2016 #66

Yeap, factual = stupid to idealouges uponit7771 May 2016 #71

The system is rigged against white males! LexVegas May 2016 #26

+1, That's basically what they're whining about seeing Obama won with less PD's uponit7771 May 2016 #28

And this time, a woman is winning. OMG! nt LexVegas May 2016 #30

+1!!! rigged... rigged !! lol, when prilieged is neutralized some cry like babies uponit7771 May 2016 #39

K&R betsuni May 2016 #29

Living In Fantasy Land Still - Not Surprised cantbeserious May 2016 #31

A candidacy largely buoyed by Independent voters (not Democrats)... that's the reality. JCMach1 May 2016 #33

Of course there's "animosity towards the party." Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #44

Bernie entered that party about 1 year ago. Was that ever going to be easy? Was it ever going to JCMach1 May 2016 #52

While I found it hard to get past "Clinton is not a corporatist," I did so anyway. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #62

I think you have to take Sanders actions seriously... he joined a party... JCMach1 May 2016 #63

Clinton math Mnpaul May 2016 #36

Yeah sure. 99Forever May 2016 #47

If somebody does suspect vote manipulation, party collusion, or any other impropriety, JCanete May 2016 #48

I am more convinced that the party schism will lead to an all-out split My Good Babushka May 2016 #54

'Zactly. This is THE main issue for many of us. JudyM May 2016 #57

Worming and squirming in denial AgingAmerican May 2016 #59

Bottomline: Sanders can't attract enough voters to win... ever! procon May 2016 #60

Why don't you work to fix Maine, before you have your daily Hippie punch here? myrna minx May 2016 #65

Thank you! QC May 2016 #93

Were Sanders supporters violent at the Nevada caucus? Were chairs thrown? mhatrw May 2016 #73

Bernie is having a hard time with his loss and grief. His dream is deferred. riversedge May 2016 #76

Your denial is not a conspiracy bkkyosemite May 2016 #77

Yes, always easy to ignore real evidence Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #79

Ever met a fucking cheating cheater that admitted to being a cheating cheater? 99Forever May 2016 #90

The rigging is that they don't get to impose their will over the majority BainsBane May 2016 #91

We want to recount the votes. reformist2 May 2016 #96

Which votes? Where? BainsBane May 2016 #100

K & R. Great post! Maru Kitteh May 2016 #92

sorry,wrong again hbro. wendylaroux May 2016 #101