Let's be clear. If Hillary loses the General. The responsibility is on her primary voters

[Rilgin]

45. I think the lesson from recent mid term losses is different than what you took

I think it is mostly a decision of the establishment players to put up triangulated candidates. In recent republican wave elections, clear liberal candidates survived and won.

I believe that if we actually stand firm for something, the party will grow. I think playing politics through triangulating might win some elections in the short term but you lose your party and lose more elections over time. I think that is what has happened and why we lose when the democratic party has such clear democratic and sane advantages over the republican party who has turned crazy.

Its connection to the current presidential election is exactly how you view Hillary. I know you posted that you think both current candidates are good. I actually disagree with that. I think Hillary is incredibly compromised by all the money she has recently taken from corporate america and some other facets of her history. Between her and Bernie I prefer Bernie although what I really wish is that Hillary had not locked up all the money and establishment players and we had a better slate of new candidates to pick from. There are a lot of other democrats who are not as divisive within the party and even if not perfect would be better at being at least liked by most people and do not have her baggage.

If she loses, I believe it relates to her being a bad candidate. If voters who pushed her in the primary this year confront that fact if she loses, we might be able to avoid it the next time a highly connected, rich, powerful, moneyed candidate with lots of baggage who is hated by the other side and not supported or trusted fully by all of her own base runs, Hillary's current supporters will urge a different track rather than just blame voters again.