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CobaltBlue

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94. There are no concrete set of swing states.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:31 AM
May 2016

It depends on the type of presidential year we have.

In 2008, a Democratic presidential pickup year, the swing states were ones in the 2004 Republican column for President Bush. And it was no surprise—incumbent Republican president George W. Bush was so severely unpopular that any nominee from that party (not just John McCain) was going to end up playing for second.

In 2012, resulting in re-election for an incumbent Democratic president, swing states were a mix of states which were 2008 Republican and 2008 Democratic—but mostly the latter because, going against common historical trend, President Obama underperformed 2012 vs. 2008. (In 2008, he won nationally by +07.26 percentage points and with 28 states plus Nebraska #02 and District of Columbia with 365 electoral votes. In 2012, he was re-elected with +03.86 percentage points and District of Columbia with 332 electoral votes.)

I notice that, with having looked at the past presidential elections of 1789–2012, no one given presidential election has resulted in a freeze—that the same percentage-points margin held, compared to the previous election cycle, and we ended up with exactly the same map. In fact, there has never been one presidential election’s electoral map exactly repeated later. (Close connections between Republicans Herbert Hoover, in 1928, and Dwight Eisenhower, in 1952 and 1956, were interesting…but there were some differences in carried states.)

2016 is not going to duplicate 2012. If the likely nominee from the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, is going to win a third consecutive election for her party, her support—compared to a 2012 Barack Obama—will either increase or decrease.

This would bring a change to the 2016 map (even if that change is modest). Decreased party support, from just a +03.86 margin, makes this election favorable to the effective nominee of the Republican Party, Donald Trump. That would mean he would retain all 24 states, with 206 electoral votes, which carried for the losing 2012 Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, and put into play bellwether states which would flip to Trump if he ends up winning: Colorado, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia—along with Iowa. And after that would come New Hampshire and others. If Hillary Clinton wins this election with significant increased support, that would take all 2012 states for a re-elected Democratic president Barack Obama and flip from the 2012 Republican column the likes of North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Missouri, Indiana, and possibly more.

This all depends on the numbers in the national shift—2012 to 2016—and going in which party’s direction. This should be a key issue for those who are genuinely concerned with Democratic primaries—especially with regard for hypothetical, general-election matchups for both nationwide and state after state.

If Bernie wins Florida , should Hillary step down? Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #1
Should Obama have dropped out after losing California? onenote May 2016 #2
... Cali_Democrat May 2016 #7
boom joshcryer May 2016 #24
If it was the last "Super Tuesday" Bernin4U May 2016 #68
Winning battle ground states is more significant hack89 May 2016 #3
Who won North Carolina, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Colorado? 99th_Monkey May 2016 #16
Um, Hillary won NC Proud Public Servant May 2016 #19
That' a matter of opinion 99th_Monkey May 2016 #34
And losing California is irrelevant hack89 May 2016 #21
It's optics. She started strong but Bernie is finishing strong. A CA win would send a powerful floriduck May 2016 #53
Hillary finished strong in 2008 hack89 May 2016 #66
I'm not referring to 2008. I'm discussing this primary season. He is finishing stronger. floriduck May 2016 #88
By what metrics? hack89 May 2016 #91
I'm basing it on the number of Bernie wins in the last month or so. He's won more primaries/ floriduck May 2016 #95
Obama lost seven of the last ten states in 2008 hack89 May 2016 #96
Not stronger than she did he is not Demsrule86 May 2016 #111
No Demsrule86 May 2016 #77
My post relates to now, not eight years ago. floriduck May 2016 #89
There are no concrete set of swing states. CobaltBlue May 2016 #94
If a person comes in first place should they step down to the second place finisher? hrmjustin May 2016 #4
Yes they should SCantiGOP May 2016 #8
The monkey scenario LoverOfLiberty May 2016 #101
Says Who? She Is NOT Going To Get Indy Votes and Has Already Lost A Significant Proportion of Dems CorporatistNation May 2016 #50
The primary results shows she is ahead. hrmjustin May 2016 #57
There's that bad dandruff clip again. kayakjohnny May 2016 #55
I love it. hrmjustin May 2016 #58
I bet. kayakjohnny May 2016 #61
Your opinion is noted. hrmjustin May 2016 #62
Good. Cause it looks like she got some icky shit on that sweater. kayakjohnny May 2016 #63
Feel better? hrmjustin May 2016 #73
I'm thinking y'all don't want to go there Bobbie Jo May 2016 #92
Should Obama have stepped down in 2008? frazzled May 2016 #5
Has DU merged SCantiGOP May 2016 #6
If Hillary loses California Proud Public Servant May 2016 #9
Winning a solidly blue state doesn't show anything about either candidate's ability to face Trump. eastwestdem May 2016 #10
This. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #32
It means a hell of a lot more than winning a solidly red state n/t TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #83
No. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #11
HRC should step down now. Under FBI investigation, massive quid pro quo at state, reckless regime ch amborin May 2016 #12
Keep hoping for the indictment fairy to save Bernie from the will of the voters. Cali_Democrat May 2016 #15
The will of the voters is still in play 99th_Monkey May 2016 #39
There is no "indictment fairy"... dchill May 2016 #51
Trump enabler alert redstateblues May 2016 #52
A for effort! but no. nt restorefreedom May 2016 #65
It's a delegates race, not a number of states won race. Metric System May 2016 #13
LOL...the author is clueless about California Cali_Democrat May 2016 #14
but but she already bought the balloons!!! oldandhappy May 2016 #17
If Bernie loses Iowa ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #18
He's still big ucrdem May 2016 #20
Yeah do me a favor. Puglover May 2016 #40
Are you aware ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #42
As usual you are all over the map. Puglover May 2016 #44
You don't seem to be aware ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #45
If Bernie wins California, it's likely fraud KingFlorez May 2016 #22
Hillary won every big state so far. Cali next. JaneyVee May 2016 #23
Obama lost California in 2008 . I'm glad he didn't step down JI7 May 2016 #25
Yea, but Obama is just as evil as Hillary, so that doesn't count. JoePhilly May 2016 #38
On a Democratic board, it is shocking how many Bernie supporters think this. auntpurl May 2016 #105
She will be fighting on two fronts... PAMod May 2016 #26
Why? She's won 8 of the 10 biggest states already. Zynx May 2016 #27
A person under investigation by the FBI, has no business running to begin with. onecaliberal May 2016 #28
If it was only that. Iraq, Honduras, Libya...what a flawed candidate just in foreign policy alone. EndElectoral May 2016 #29
She's a train wreck all the way around. onecaliberal May 2016 #30
No. barrow-wight May 2016 #31
Yes. The way the regs are going in CA, Bernie is going to smoke her bigtime. I think litlbilly May 2016 #33
take another toke-It's Bernie fantasy time redstateblues May 2016 #54
She should have already stepped down . . . as soon as she was under FBI investigation. pdsimdars May 2016 #35
If he takes the lead in delegates, absolutely. JoePhilly May 2016 #36
"it would mean she couldn’t win dog catcher among those under 30" vintx May 2016 #37
Too bad they only show up at arenas and not at the voting booth redstateblues May 2016 #56
Yes, let's just hold a primary in CA and let them select the candidate Godhumor May 2016 #41
Why rush things? bvf May 2016 #43
Exactly .. You pegged the essentially facetious & rhetorical nature of the question 99th_Monkey May 2016 #69
One senses there's a certain amount bvf May 2016 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #46
"she has alienated most white voters." You mean the racist dudes who are into Trump? bettyellen May 2016 #47
Like all other states, the delegates are assigned proportionally Retrograde May 2016 #48
No. nt Nonhlanhla May 2016 #49
If she has... Skid Rogue May 2016 #59
Did Bernie step down after getting trounced in New York?... SidDithers May 2016 #60
. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #70
I believe she will be told to step down by the establishent before the convention so Biden can run primnickel May 2016 #64
I have believed that for a long time Samantha May 2016 #74
Yes, no question. One Black Sheep May 2016 #67
In the words of that great American spiritual......... thelordofhell May 2016 #71
Obama lost white voters in 2012 and still won. Starry Messenger May 2016 #75
No Demsrule86 May 2016 #76
Depends on how many pledged delegates he gets there. stone space May 2016 #78
lol....sanders never been vetted nationally...and he would be beaten solid by trump.... beachbum bob May 2016 #79
What a ridiculous idea! LAS14 May 2016 #80
74 yr. old democratic socialist vs. 69 yr. old neocon neoliberal. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #81
Is Les Leopold a pseudonym for H. A. Goodman? (n/t) thesquanderer May 2016 #82
HRC-WJC Inc. should never have stepped up. GoneOffShore May 2016 #84
I would never tell anyone to step down TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #85
I wish she had never stepped up but, since she did, I say: let this surreal campaign play itself out Hiraeth May 2016 #86
If Sanders can get 79% in California, thus erasing Clinton's delegate lead entirely, sure :) Tarc May 2016 #87
Yeah, I'm not sure why the person with more pledged delegates would "step down." Garrett78 May 2016 #100
Should she? Yes. Will she? No way in hell. EndElectoral May 2016 #90
Hell she won't even step down if indicted Ferd Berfel May 2016 #93
99th_Monkey you just love ruffling the feathers of the Hillary supporters, right? Playinghardball May 2016 #97
Busted. LOL n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #107
H.A. Goodman on vacation? brooklynite May 2016 #98
Must be........ Beacool May 2016 #103
The most interesting part of Hillary winning the nomination will be what happens to organizations anotherproletariat May 2016 #99
No, nyet, non, nope, nah, etc. Beacool May 2016 #102
Most likely. nt silvershadow May 2016 #104
If my feet and hands turn into wheels, do I still need a driving license? anigbrowl May 2016 #106
Hell yes! Her unfavorability ratings are identical to Trumps. B Calm May 2016 #108
Yeah well the 'bern' Demsrule86 May 2016 #112
Just curious: if Hillary wins California thucythucy May 2016 #109
Nah, not so much. 99th_Monkey May 2016 #113
No Demsrule86 May 2016 #110
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