The Overton window has been shifted significantly far right (Reply #269)

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Thu May 26, 2016, 12:46 PM

269. The Overton window has been shifted significantly far right

Everyone agrees on this. The problem with the Bernie supporters is that they put the cart before the horse. Reagan was the result, not the cause, of the conservative counterrevolution in the 80s. To shift it back left, it takes a lot of activism and coalition building and outreach, and while some of it has happened, a lot of it still needs to be done.

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America is a centrist, capitalist country. We are not and will never be socialist. [View all]	ericson00	May 2016	OP
Ugh	One Black Sheep	May 2016	#1
"Inaccurate Psychic Authoritarians for Hillary"	GreatGazoo	May 2016	#14
^ This	JRLeft	May 2016	#19
I call them the 'I've got mine, fuck everybody else' wing of the party...	Yurovsky	May 2016	#48
I call them "Misplaced Republicans."	QC	May 2016	#139
That would explain the shift in voter registrations & party identification	Yurovsky	May 2016	#162
QC—They already have.	CobaltBlue	May 2016	#216
+1	vintx	May 2016	#244
+5 nt.	villager	May 2016	#103
!	QC	May 2016	#135
this ^ + 100	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#215
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ronald Reagan, to name a few have said the same thing.	Exilednight	May 2016	#2
Do you even see the irony	leftynyc	May 2016	#10
I see irony in the fact that a person named lefty is defending right wing talking points	Exilednight	May 2016	#12
Been noticing that myself.	tenderfoot	May 2016	#93
You're not the first to catch that irony.	QC	May 2016	#121
Yeah, you caught me	leftynyc	May 2016	#192
Where EXACTLY am	leftynyc	May 2016	#175
Yes! It's the right wing mindset. Totally wrong, too.	trudyco	May 2016	#245
Your post is the fucking irony.	Phlem	May 2016	#164
What on earth are	leftynyc	May 2016	#178
Sure you do.	Phlem	May 2016	#195
So you quite simply lied	leftynyc	May 2016	#196
Really?	Phlem	May 2016	#197
Oh the fucking crickets yet again.	Phlem	May 2016	#198
You'll NEVER see Hillary "throwing arms" around rightwingers!	arcane1	May 2016	#187
Awww	leftynyc	May 2016	#188
yeah. why is this poster on a democratic website?	rockfordfile	May 2016	#177
Said what? That Americans don't want civil insurrection and revolution?	treestar	May 2016	#185
Hillary represents what we have, Corporate Socialism. Bernie represents Democratic Socialism.	Kip Humphrey	May 2016	#3
I like that. Corporate Socialism ... corporate tax breaks and subsidies and give aways.	trudyco	May 2016	#247
I am a very proud centrist, capitalist loving American, have been all of	Thinkingabout	May 2016	#4
Smartest thing I've heard all day.nt	clarice	May 2016	#57
You already have an oligarchy...	Armstead	May 2016	#65
You don't even know what the word oligarchy means	cali	May 2016	#76
The list of words that Clinton supporters don't know the meaning of but use anyway is pretty big	Scootaloo	May 2016	#105
Exactly.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#111
Do you get Social Security? I wish I had kept the list of the dozens of	libdem4life	May 2016	#136
How have you managed 25k posts on this site and not even know what oligarchy means?	RichVRichV	May 2016	#232
I do, do you?	Thinkingabout	May 2016	#233
WTF??? America IS socialist now, at least the better parts of it.	Fast Walker 52	May 2016	#5
this is the BS sentiment that really turns me off from Hillary	Fast Walker 52	May 2016	#6
And there you go, folks. nt	DLevine	May 2016	#7
Except social mobility in the USA is less than most European countries	Fumesucker	May 2016	#8
what the bern's don't get	wilt the stilt	May 2016	#9
Medicare is 65+....	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#16
whenever you hear "Medicare for all"	wilt the stilt	May 2016	#17
It has to be free to the end user or its prohibited nd we have to privatize.	Baobab	May 2016	#31
Whenever I hear "Medicare for all" . My first thought is whose going to pay for it?nt	clarice	May 2016	#202
Pay roll tax, and your premiums and deductibles	Karma13612	May 2016	#235
But if there were "Medicare For All" a family of four would have Medicare	Recursion	May 2016	#22
There can be no "deductible" with single payer. It has to be free. You dont have tiers in single pay	Baobab	May 2016	#33
Well, Medicare certainly has a deductible. A pretty high one.	Recursion	May 2016	#37
The amount they make has nothing to do with complexity. You're evading my question. Also, you know	Baobab	May 2016	#51
Hillary's solution, globalization will give them a big pay cut. The foreign nurses, teachers, etc	Baobab	May 2016	#54
You talk about doctor's taking a pay cut	Thirties Child	May 2016	#109
I'm for some form of universal health	wilt the stilt	May 2016	#39
"medicare for all" is a rallying cry	wilt the stilt	May 2016	#55
But upwards mobility is dead in this country.	JRLeft	May 2016	#21
Except Fumesucker is right: this "better life" is being eroded.	raging moderate	May 2016	#25
Nail on head - "Sanders supporters actually want a more moderate country"	Armstead	May 2016	#67
"Can you hear me now?" Absolutely!	7wo7rees	May 2016	#96
To have it as good as they do in Canada, a family would have to make $25,000 per year more.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#112
With all due respect, I don't understand this statement. nt.	polly7	May 2016	#119
Point: People come here for more money.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#120
Thanks. Sorry, I didn't read what you were responding to. nt.	polly7	May 2016	#124
A better life = MAKE MORE MONEY? Maybe that is one opinion.	pangaia	May 2016	#255
America is no longer a place for a New Deal Dem	Broward	May 2016	#11
Perhaps you've been listening to too much propaganda for too long.	highprincipleswork	May 2016	#13
K&R!!! n/t	RKP5637	May 2016	#29
I'm sure your benefactors	mac56	May 2016	#15
I think they pay by the word...	Yurovsky	May 2016	#50
So we should learn our places and settle. Got it.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2016	#18
I would say that from the empty rhetoric	rock	May 2016	#20
What a crock of shit	mindem	May 2016	#23
Bernie has been a politician pulling down six figures for 25 years	redstateblues	May 2016	#101
He absolutely does. Ask the farmers, loggers and blue collar workers here	cali	May 2016	#117
By your logic, no nationally elected figure is capable of having a connection to average folks.	phleshdef	May 2016	#137
.....and the Clintons were flat broke after Bill's regime ended......	seekthetruth	May 2016	#219
It's not about how much they make, but how they're making it.	YOHABLO	May 2016	#231
Another example that all the talk of common goals and being on the same side is	TheKentuckian	May 2016	#24
Sure seems that way	vintx	May 2016	#246
proof in the supporters and their posts...	HumanityExperiment	May 2016	#26
Malcolm X's words still ring true today...	AZ Progressive	May 2016	#157
I have good reason to think Hillary's being put in there to destroy the middle class-and before	Baobab	May 2016	#27
Best post I've seen all day. nt	vintx	May 2016	#248
And with this latest screed, you finally go ignore.	morningfog	May 2016	#28
What a bizarre post! n/t	RKP5637	May 2016	#30
Do tell, what makes America an exceptional country?	sinkingfeeling	May 2016	#32
Don't we all enjoy ignorant jingoism, though?	bvf	May 2016	#81
Sound more like republican values then democrat.	pinskinny	May 2016	#34
I think the OP has been listening to Rush Limbaugh way too much.	B Calm	May 2016	#259
We are a socialist capitalist hybrid and you are a right winger	phleshdef	May 2016	#35
I want you to apologize to every single electron you've inconvenienced with this dung heap of a post	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#36
What utter nonsense	kcr	May 2016	#38
You should watch "Where to Invade Next" by Michael Moore. -nt	CrispyQ	May 2016	#40
I am constantly amazed by the conservative talking points I see on DU. n/t	demmiblue	May 2016	#41
It's unbelievable! They want Hillary and Hillary does not want the middle class to survive.	bkkyosemite	May 2016	#44
Some of these posts are very republican and very scary...omg....	bkkyosemite	May 2016	#42
It's okay to be a Republican as long as you	LWolf	May 2016	#43
It's the new Orwellian DU.	Arugula Latte	May 2016	#144
Wow.	TransitJohn	May 2016	#45
Oh, so THAT's why the taxpayers are always bailing out the Banksters!	Octafish	May 2016	#46
That one won't be here after the admins effect new rules.	Rex	May 2016	#129
Canada is a centrist, capitalist country	CanadaexPat	May 2016	#47
+1 (NT)	Eric J in MN	May 2016	#53
^^^This	katsy	May 2016	#169
There is nothing about America or any other nation that inherently precludes socialism.	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#49
In the 1930s, the New Deal	Eric J in MN	May 2016	#52
My 8th grader and the rest of his social studies class have a better understanding of these terms.	FourScore	May 2016	#56
To repeat: I am a long-time Hillary supporter -- stop the red baiting	obamanut2012	May 2016	#58
For those attacking ericson00...	clarice	May 2016	#59
He more than has the right to express what he likes.	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#63
No he doesn't...and we ARE an exceptional Country....	clarice	May 2016	#66
Oh please, I guarantee you if you lived in the systemic corruption in Mexico's government	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#70
Putting your obvious disdain for America aside...	clarice	May 2016	#73
Obvious disdain? For presenting facts?	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#80
I will close with this quote from Jonathon Swift...	clarice	May 2016	#84
an observation...you apparently are keeping score for a different game	islandmkl	May 2016	#91
Please explain islandmkl.nt	clarice	May 2016	#94
"...game, set, match goes to Clarice."	islandmkl	May 2016	#100
I only responded in that way because the other poster was so nasty and belligerent.Peace.nt	clarice	May 2016	#102
Try to defend an indefensible standpoint and that's what you'll get	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#125
And I hope that you can come to...	clarice	May 2016	#134
"American-phobic" for pointing out what the fuck is wrong with our nation.	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#138
Don't hold your breath.nt	clarice	May 2016	#199
Oh, snap!	Amaril	May 2016	#211
Not really. But, have a great weekend anyway. Eom	Karma13612	May 2016	#236
That's right no other country in the world let's citizens	sinkingfeeling	May 2016	#168
This must be "Grumpy Friday"lol. nt	clarice	May 2016	#200
There are 195 countries in the world, and you're free to have this discussion without repercussions	Exilednight	May 2016	#224
Without starting a fight...I'm curious about something.....	clarice	May 2016	#241
I'm not pleased about it. it's a disgrace that we go around	Exilednight	May 2016	#250
One thing for sure.......sending a LOT of money that will.....	clarice	May 2016	#253
yes, like Israel.	Exilednight	May 2016	#256
And? You don't think that it's important to have a home base in.....	clarice	May 2016	#260
mistake is a poor strategic alliy. we can't	Exilednight	May 2016	#261
I'm not justifying it...just	clarice	May 2016	#262
how is it better sent and what hell holes are you speaking of?	Exilednight	May 2016	#263
Get a map... 10 darts...throw them randomly.....you will hit some.nt	clarice	May 2016	#264
that's a very flippant response.	Exilednight	May 2016	#265
I figured it was either that... or getting alerted on.lol	clarice	May 2016	#266
So we should allow Trump supporters in here? Why?	chascarrillo	May 2016	#68
To quote George Orwell....	clarice	May 2016	#86
What are we supposed to do? Applaud the nonsense?	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#72
No....simply be open to differing opinions. It's the Liberal way.nt	clarice	May 2016	#74
Open? Yes. Accept them? No. Comment on them? You bet.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#77
EXACTLY !!!! I'm just opposed to the nastiness in some of the other posts.nt	clarice	May 2016	#79
Well, the OP wasn't exactly tolerant and polite.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#88
I just re-read the OP...	clarice	May 2016	#90
Like calling people America-phobic?	LanternWaste	May 2016	#209
Fastest alert finger in the West.nt	clarice	May 2016	#210
Whichever you decide is most effective.nt	clarice	May 2016	#242
---	mac56	May 2016	#83
Sage advice from a true mental giant.nt	clarice	May 2016	#87
Ah. When you can't dispute the statement, insult the speaker.	mac56	May 2016	#114
That wasn't an insult... I always like to hear his views on current events.nt	clarice	May 2016	#115
I welcome his (presumably honest) expression of free thought.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#113
Well said.nt	clarice	May 2016	#116
For those attacking those attacking ericson00...	frylock	May 2016	#148
Free thought and expression are one thing...common courtesy is another. What's your beef?nt	clarice	May 2016	#201
Precisely how do those verbal responses prevent free thought or expression?	LanternWaste	May 2016	#205
Golly, that's really scary. Red Bait much?	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2016	#60
McCarthy called... He wants his Red Scare blinders back.	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#64
Just an aside...is that gif from Boxer's speech?	libdem4life	May 2016	#141
Yep.	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#142
Funny, I watched very little of it, but that really stood out...along with	libdem4life	May 2016	#145
Pure HRC propaganda statement; Americans overwhelmingly want what Sanders (Dem Soc) proposes, plus	amborin	May 2016	#61
Here ya go -- Some movies and books I'm sure you'll love	Armstead	May 2016	#62
There is no centrist ideology	AgingAmerican	May 2016	#69
So True -- Everyone views "The Center" as their own views	Armstead	May 2016	#71
Exactly. So how would the OP define the "centrist" postion on abortion?	bullwinkle428	May 2016	#153
Typical status quo defense from a Hillary supporter	pinebox	May 2016	#75
Really good post. Nice refutation to Ericson! Bookmarked	7wo7rees	May 2016	#85
This post defines why we need a "mike drop" smilie!!	bullwinkle428	May 2016	#158
Yes indeed... The smack hath been laid down!	Yurovsky	May 2016	#206
So much win	vintx	May 2016	#249
Great post, must read for Hillary supporters!	B Calm	May 2016	#258
Untrue, which is why your beloved Hillary has had to "evolve" her centrist positions so much to run.	merrily	May 2016	#78
Red-baiting and defeatism.	Jester Messiah	May 2016	#82
Capitalism is unsustainable.	immoderate	May 2016	#89
We are a capitalist/socialist hybrid.	cry baby	May 2016	#92
This message was self-deleted by its author	tenderfoot	May 2016	#95
Right wing red baiting uninformed hogwash	cali	May 2016	#97
Go join the Republican party	ThePhilosopher04	May 2016	#98
i'm always amused at how many words it takes for someone to exhibit that they	islandmkl	May 2016	#99
Well, an awful lot of money is backing your agenda..	Orsino	May 2016	#104
That's a very Republican point of view.	WDIM	May 2016	#106
I'll bet you didn't intend for this post to be as funny as it is, did you?	Scootaloo	May 2016	#107
You are completely wrong.	hollowdweller	May 2016	#108
See? This is what is now meant by "democratic underground"	lumberjack_jeff	May 2016	#110
A total eye opener that is for sure.	Rex	May 2016	#126
ericson00—The nation is not Washington, D.C. (Perhaps you will wake up eventually.)	CobaltBlue	May 2016	#118
That person had to come from redstate	rockfordfile	May 2016	#180
And this is why America will never change for the better. Ever.	tenderfoot	May 2016	#122
Enjoy your stay.	Rex	May 2016	#123
FFS, "look at me"	Logical	May 2016	#127
I am a proud Democrat but I'm not a Socialist.	hamsterjill	May 2016	#128
Healthcare should be a human right just as it	katsy	May 2016	#182
Hoard?	hamsterjill	May 2016	#222
Read the science journals.	katsy	May 2016	#225
Happy to be ignored by people such as yourself.	hamsterjill	May 2016	#239
I saw my post come to top of my post list & knew you answered.	katsy	May 2016	#257
Get a clue?	hamsterjill	May 2016	#267
Well Lets Poll The Country On That! Which of the candidates' values	Lodestar	May 2016	#130
This is why Hillary supporters sicken progressives.	libtodeath	May 2016	#131
+ 1000. nt	VulgarPoet	May 2016	#132
There will be a new America. And it will be socialist. Deal with it.	DemocraticWing	May 2016	#133
HMM there is plenty of ahem socialism	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#140
The old rank and file here is starting to lose it.	Rex	May 2016	#212
Yup	nadinbrzezinski	May 2016	#213
Thats right, own up to it, be proud of it!	AZ Progressive	May 2016	#143
You may be a socialist if....	panader0	May 2016	#146
70-90% of Americans want peace, education, healthcare, etc.--but the political class	MisterP	May 2016	#147
ericson, this is no way to win primary votes. The facts are all Hillary needs to convince them.	BootinUp	May 2016	#149
You people have been deceitful long enough	AZ Progressive	May 2016	#152
Thanks for the broad brushing, attack. nt	BootinUp	May 2016	#156
This thread shows that Malcolm X's "fox and wolf" analogy is still true today	AZ Progressive	May 2016	#150
Dude. 1405 views, 150 replies and 5 recs. Get a clue.	merrily	May 2016	#151
And if it weren't for Amnesty, this bs wouldn't be here.	neverforget	May 2016	#159
ericsson? LOL! I always thought of him or her as innocuous. Then again, I look at the Op post	merrily	May 2016	#161
One has racked up 1,100 posts in just a month.	QC	May 2016	#170
This country had to pass a constitutional amendment....	HooptieWagon	May 2016	#154
thanx for the call to Hell, I wont sit still for that. socialism isnt communism	larkrake	May 2016	#155
The Proof Is In The Pudding	jamese777	May 2016	#160
Hit n' run.	derpderpderp	May 2016	#163
You are mistaken	katsy	May 2016	#165
What total horseshit.	Fawke Em	May 2016	#166
BTW, the economy will suffer under her just as much.	Fawke Em	May 2016	#167
Not even reading the thread	passiveporcupine	May 2016	#171
Democratic Socialist countries are also capitalist.	Quixote1818	May 2016	#172
I agree to the extent the US is historically resistant to taxation.	ucrdem	May 2016	#173
We are about 50% socialist already.	kentuck	May 2016	#174
This poster should cut the fox news crap	rockfordfile	May 2016	#176
175 posts and counting and still no sign of the OP returning? Hmmm.	merrily	May 2016	#179
You really should give Rush Limbaugh credit for your post.	guillaumeb	May 2016	#181
Yes, it is very unrealistic to think the masses of Americans	treestar	May 2016	#183
63% of Americans think the minimum wage should be $15 by 2020	Ash_F	May 2016	#184
Minion says what?	arcane1	May 2016	#186
I'm sticking with Bernie and I notice you don't mention that our current Congres is no reflection	Todays_Illusion	May 2016	#189
Status quo wants more status quo. Let's pretend that FDR never was president.	Betty Karlson	May 2016	#190
"We are not socialist" Thanks for the info! We didn't know that!	imagine2015	May 2016	#191
Arrogance ...	GeorgeGist	May 2016	#193
The United States is a Socialist country.	gordianot	May 2016	#194
i think socialism could indeed happen in the U.S. with effective evolution.	LanternWaste	May 2016	#203
Very odd the most favored programs in our government are socialist programs.	Vinca	May 2016	#204
"Deal with it"	Amaril	May 2016	#207
.....and you're what's wrong with the left.	seekthetruth	May 2016	#208
That's why we pay our fire department subscription fees, elementary school tuition, and road tolls!	Attorney in Texas	May 2016	#214
...	kaleckim	May 2016	#217
ericson00—Thank you for trying to channel Alex Keaton, Michael J. Fox’s character, on ‘Family Ties!’	CobaltBlue	May 2016	#218
Yeah, let's throw out all those socialist ideas like Social Security,Medicare, public ed, fire depts	EndElectoral	May 2016	#220
Btw, socialism doesn't preclude markets either	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#221
Ah, bullshit.	cliffordu	May 2016	#223
Ameerica is a trophy to be won by whichever side is strong enough to take it point blank	craigmatic	May 2016	#226
Europe will always have feudalism.	ZombieHorde	May 2016	#227
you mean like Great Britain?	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2016	#228
I'm a Clinton supporter but this OP doesn't represent my views, or her's.	brush	May 2016	#229
There is more upward mobility in Scandinavia	dflprincess	May 2016	#230
It didn't start out this way, and the	Karma13612	May 2016	#234
the problem with bernie supportes is if you dont agree then you are branded a republican	rdking647	May 2016	#237
The Overton window has been shifted significantly far right	forjusticethunders	May 2016	#269
You are genuinely an idiot.	frustrated_lefty	May 2016	#238
You are a Republican, go to Free Republic and suck up to the 1% there.	Odin2005	May 2016	#240
If you read more, you'd know this is not true. BTW, what does "capitalist" country mean?	snowy owl	May 2016	#243
Holy shit. A "Democrat" just wrote this?	pangaia	May 2016	#251
In 1776, that poster would be telling us to remain loyal to the British Crown.	arcane1	May 2016	#252
Never say never. You are not Nostradamus.	floriduck	May 2016	#254
This is right wing Republican dogma	TransitJohn	May 2016	#268

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