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2016 Postmortem

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Fri May 27, 2016, 01:04 AM May 2016

I'm feeling a little angry towards Hillary right now. [View all]

You would think after everything that she has gone through, all the accusations and personal attacks going all the way back to when she was First Lady of Arkansas, and given the probability that running for president was at least somewhere on her radar, that she would have been more careful not to put herself in a situation like she is now in. She knows that republicans have their daggars permanently out waiting for any mistake or screw up. I can't believe this self inflicted wound that could have been so easily avoided. Did her own life experience make her paranoid? I don't know what to think. All I know is that things are not good today. I think she would be a very good president but the woman needs an epiphany so she can see she needs to get out of the Clinton bubble. Hillary is the poster child for being your own worst enemy.

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The simple answer is that she put herself in the position morningfog May 2016 #1
Which alternative? NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #7
Whatever she is guarding being made known. morningfog May 2016 #17
I don't think she's guarding anything nefarious. It's secrecy for the sake of secrecy. Thirties Child May 2016 #130
And if we ignore astrology... ThirdWayToTheHighway May 2016 #140
I'm a scorpio tazkcmo May 2016 #156
I am more cynical than that. grasswire May 2016 #10
Even without the hacker it would have been discovered karynnj May 2016 #55
Hard Choices? merrily May 2016 #126
She became part of the club sandyshoes17 May 2016 #158
I remember how I felt when the news about John Edwards' affair JDPriestly May 2016 #2
That was a shitty moment. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #6
I felt betrayed then, as I had supported him. QC May 2016 #8
Those among Hillary's fans who are intelligent feel that way about JDPriestly May 2016 #11
I know two words I'm thinking... cui bono May 2016 #134
Same here. Not that I thought he was great, but because he Blue Meany May 2016 #80
His "2 Americas" speech was one of the best in a generation or more... Yurovsky May 2016 #108
He gave a great speech and so did Obama... Blue Meany May 2016 #124
That was my reason as well--he at least acknowledged QC May 2016 #111
I felt the same way. k8conant May 2016 #153
That mofo dropped out the day I had put my CA primary ballot in the mail for him KeepItReal May 2016 #28
It hurt. JDPriestly May 2016 #30
Good post. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #3
Maybe out of all the facets of her life she didn't Hortensis May 2016 #42
Do you think John Kerry was less addicted to his blackberry karynnj May 2016 #58
No, I think right-wing Judicial Watch's use of Hortensis May 2016 #59
Had HRC been a sensible woman she would know that karynnj May 2016 #64
Yes, and they took out Kerry and put W in the White House, Hortensis May 2016 #67
There was no truth in the swiftboat lies, but W had already been in the WH for 4 years karynnj May 2016 #88
The US has never voted out a war time incumbent President. NEVER. merrily May 2016 #129
Sadly, one of the major papers did focus groups in Ohio to see why karynnj May 2016 #133
Someone had a theory that Kerry lost because Hillary wanted to run in 2008 and that's merrily May 2016 #135
Wasn't Obama addicted to his BlackBerry? Loudestlib May 2016 #73
I wrote yesterday ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #105
Don't Worry BootinUp May 2016 #4
Well. Congratulations on the eventual nomination I guess. n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #5
Curious why you didn't post this in the Hillary group? still_one May 2016 #9
Because this is bigger than the Hillary group. madaboutharry May 2016 #14
Then if you truly believe that, you should really vote for Bernie. Here are some threads that still_one May 2016 #18
I will vote for whoever is the nominee. madaboutharry May 2016 #20
I assumed that. My point was simply that if you feel the way you do about this issue, then still_one May 2016 #35
You still should have vented this angst with those who would nave been understanding of your Fla Dem May 2016 #176
I think you are wrong. madaboutharry May 2016 #177
Are you kidding? And get yourself tossed out? TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #16
You don't what you are talking about. Here is one which discusses the issue, and the problems still_one May 2016 #23
I think this thread has encouraged very good discussion. madaboutharry May 2016 #57
That didn't take long: demmiblue May 2016 #54
lol TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #120
An image of jack boots went through my mind while reading that. senz May 2016 #162
Wow. Not allowed to even question her. Unreal. polly7 May 2016 #167
Bwahahaha. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #170
It's not as if this has come up suddenly. SheilaT May 2016 #12
"Hillarybots" was unnecessary. madaboutharry May 2016 #15
I'm quite sick and tired of the denigration of the Bernie people SheilaT May 2016 #24
Yes, the GOP created the indictment fairy realmirage May 2016 #34
No Hillary's actions created that when she forced an FBI investigation by her actions and Autumn May 2016 #96
And saying it with a lot of smugness and condescension. I don't mind people disagreeing with me pdsimdars May 2016 #65
Seriously? You're going to bring that up in this thread? From one Bernie supporter to another... FourScore May 2016 #100
The OP reads as if this is a genuinely new and totally unexpected turn of events. SheilaT May 2016 #119
I agree... it is akin to kicking someone when they are down. n/t demmiblue May 2016 #121
Your side has spent the entire primary insulting, lying, and cheating Bernie supporters pengu May 2016 #53
+1, couldn't agree more. /nt Marr May 2016 #155
Such empathy!!! (Yeah, I'm saying it with sarcasm.) FourScore May 2016 #101
Exactly. Some of them act like this is a natural disaster that just came out of nowhere. Marr May 2016 #154
I really appreciate this open reflection, and I honestly share your dismay. FourScore May 2016 #13
I'm sorry you've bought the whole smear. LAS14 May 2016 #147
I appreciate your sharing that. I would be feeling the same way if I were supporting her, too. JudyM May 2016 #19
I do thank you for saying so. Aerows May 2016 #21
that's what we've been trying to say.. 2banon May 2016 #22
I empathize. It's been an eye opening 24 hours Arazi May 2016 #25
I feel your pain nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #26
I learned a similar lesson this time around Scootaloo May 2016 #31
True, true nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
Poor judgment. elleng May 2016 #27
Hillary IS the Clinton bubble. dchill May 2016 #29
... senz May 2016 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #32
That was a sweet post. Betty Karlson May 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #117
Nice post. I read the idea of the basement server was Bill's initially. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #141
I feel the same way. She gave the repugs even more ammo to attack her on. As if jillan May 2016 #33
She has let her supporters down for sure. I'm sorry this happened to you. Must be hard for ... agracie May 2016 #36
Hubris...just like her husband noiretextatique May 2016 #37
Thank you for posting. Even 840high May 2016 #38
"A little"? "Now"? bvf May 2016 #39
I am struck by your understanding she brought this on herself. AtomicKitten May 2016 #40
this isn't just a matter of optics it's about honesty Nate Roberts May 2016 #41
Maybe we need a president who doesn't have an enemy as bad as she herself? Betty Karlson May 2016 #44
Exactly. A politician with a disdain for accountability to the public is not just not perfect TheKentuckian May 2016 #66
This is EXACTLY the kind of "problem" that ~Super-Delegate Insurance~ John Poet May 2016 #46
Nope. Super-Delegate Insurance was really intended to get us out of a winter is coming May 2016 #128
I have the same pit in my stomach that I got watching Bill compound the Lewinsky thing GreatGazoo May 2016 #47
I have been blocked from the Hillary group over this post. madaboutharry May 2016 #48
Let them have their little clique of stupid pinebox May 2016 #50
Par for the course, I'm afraid. demmiblue May 2016 #51
That is the standard operating procedure, unfortunately. TheKentuckian May 2016 #68
Now you get some of the feelings we have been having. Those Hillary people seem mean to me. pdsimdars May 2016 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #71
Haven't you heard? No criticism of Hillary allowed. mountain grammy May 2016 #87
I'm sorry pmorlan1 May 2016 #90
When I read your post I figured they'd block you The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #110
I've noticed that *some* Hillary followers have an authoritarian streak... jack_krass May 2016 #113
Wow. Sorry to hear that. progressoid May 2016 #114
i'm so sorry Madaboutharry Viva_La_Revolution May 2016 #123
Wow. I have heard that there is a lot of anger there, Curmudgeoness May 2016 #145
I have been blocked from the Hillary group over this post. AlbertCat May 2016 #146
The cult is very strong in that group. You are much better off being on the outside. BillZBubb May 2016 #159
Mahalo Capt. Obvious May 2016 #160
I am sorry that happened to you kdmorris May 2016 #164
I'm sorry you were blocked from your own candidate's group passiveporcupine May 2016 #165
What group did Skinner start? madaboutharry May 2016 #166
I'm not a Hill fan so I don't know what it's called, passiveporcupine May 2016 #168
I don't remember the name of it either, but visited just after it was polly7 May 2016 #169
Hillary Mojo beltanefauve May 2016 #171
He wanted to keep it positive, IIRC, so of course it flopped. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #179
Sorry to hear. bvf May 2016 #172
I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM JUST -TRY- TO BLOCK ME! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #178
Finally! The voice of sanity from a Hillary supporter! pinebox May 2016 #49
And did you get that, they kicked her out of the Hillary group for getting it and saying it. pdsimdars May 2016 #70
How did you find that out? LAS14 May 2016 #76
She posted it, upthread. n/t intheflow May 2016 #137
She said so in a post earlier in this thread. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #180
It's the same MO Bill Clinton operated under, the Republicans were coming after him tooth and nail Uncle Joe May 2016 #52
Even though I'm a Bernie supporter, I completely understand you. Barack_America May 2016 #56
She considers herself above the law. Jester Messiah May 2016 #60
No. madaboutharry May 2016 #61
In that sense she reminds me of Nixon. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #112
Yes. As offensive as that analogy is to some, it has validity RufusTFirefly May 2016 #161
Precisely. After decades of being hunted by what really is a vast right wing tblue37 Jun 2016 #181
It's refreshing to see one of her supporters actually thinking. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #62
A decent post by a Hillary supporter. I sympathize Katashi_itto May 2016 #63
Hillary is going to be an excellent president.. asuhornets May 2016 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #79
Nothing will happen...NOTHING..see you on June 7th..Hillary needs less than 80 delegates asuhornets May 2016 #85
How could a person who claims to be 'hunted' endorse things like DADT for others? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #91
Newsflash: Bernie Sanders was against gay in 2006-2007? asuhornets May 2016 #93
Newsflash your post is a falsehood. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #127
Hear, hear!!!!! LAS14 May 2016 #148
At first I didn't know how to feel.... LAS14 May 2016 #74
Hillary is not remorseful Madam Mossfern May 2016 #89
calculated + caught = 'mistake'...that has always been Clinton math... islandmkl May 2016 #99
How can you possibly know that? LAS14 May 2016 #150
How can you NOT know that. Madam Mossfern May 2016 #175
K & R nt findrskeep May 2016 #75
IMO it's a character thing... she only recognizes legal authority and even then argues the points HereSince1628 May 2016 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #81
amoral ambition. unethical hubris. a skewed sense of integrity. Hiraeth May 2016 #86
Great post rufus dog May 2016 #104
It was a mistake. Hindsight is better than foresight. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #82
Welcome back. Oh, 59% of Senate Dems voted for the IWR, including the sitting VP and SOS DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #84
And you think that makes it right? I don't. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #92
It's been a continuing mistake though Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #118
She needs to drop out now so the Democratic Party can put distance between her and save face B Calm May 2016 #83
Sorry but Bernie can't have the nomination without winning it, just like every other candidate. StevieM May 2016 #144
Hillary above all people should have known what would happen with this. She gave Autumn May 2016 #94
This is exactly why she did all of this..if you think theres laserhaas May 2016 #95
LOL your right Separation May 2016 #97
Appreciate your honesty Armstead May 2016 #98
you dont get it. artyteacher May 2016 #102
everybody 'gets it'...the real 'it'...scandals seem to be manifest with ALL DEMS? islandmkl May 2016 #103
exactly rufus dog May 2016 #106
Yours is the most important and interesting post I've read here in some time. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #109
I have said the same for a long time. Hell Hath No Fury May 2016 #115
Thank you madaboutharry, recommended! saidsimplesimon May 2016 #116
Sorry, madaboutharry Amaril May 2016 #122
I felt this way about John Edwards. AmBlue May 2016 #125
I do think her riversedge May 2016 #131
Totally agree riverside! MoonRiver May 2016 #136
Hear, hear!!!!! LAS14 May 2016 #152
Hear, hear!!!!!! LAS14 May 2016 #151
You can continue to place your misguided trust in her if you like. Marr May 2016 #157
Okay since you're being honest I'll throw some honesty out here too Joob May 2016 #132
"Did her own life experience make her paranoid?" Schema Thing May 2016 #138
She has always had an integrity problem. Her goal is clearly to amass as much wealth rhett o rick May 2016 #139
She has put us all in a potentially very bad position. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #142
Thank you for your honesty. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #143
I don't really see the purpose in this...we have enough with the Berners Demsrule86 May 2016 #149
This is bad news for everyone at du Doctor_J May 2016 #173
Thank you for your honesty ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #174
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