2016 Postmortem

Mike__M

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50. This looks reasonable

Fri May 27, 2016, 01:47 PM

May 2016

because it includes her stated positions since she started parroting Sanders last Fall. The recalibrated chart leeroysphitz shows below looks like it matches her actual record.

So, which Hillary? And why should we believe it's that one?

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I wish Hillary was trustworthy. I wish Hillary was a progressive. [View all] Scuba May 2016 OP

I wish those things too, my dear Scuba. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2016 #1

^^^^ this times 1000^^^^ laserhaas May 2016 #57

Maybe the script calls for a Republican win this time? merrily May 2016 #2

"They" must maintain the illusion. It's wearing awful thin. Enthusiast May 2016 #108

But, she's evolving...into a coulda' been. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #3

I wish people knew where 'the center' of American politics is, so they could see she's to the left. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4

I like Bernie, but I agree with you. In the big picture I too think she's to the left! And if Trump RKP5637 May 2016 #5

She's a right winger. Baobab May 2016 #28

What was the stat I heard? maxsolomon May 2016 #31

Ted Cruz is even more than RW IMO, I think he's unstable and also a religious wacko. RKP5637 May 2016 #37

Look! Consensus! maxsolomon May 2016 #70

Yep!!! RKP5637 May 2016 #84

You'll see. Baobab May 2016 #38

So respond to the facts for once SCantiGOP May 2016 #66

They agree on naming post offices. immoderate May 2016 #75

Can't respond when it doesn't fit the Anti-Clinton narrative. maxsolomon May 2016 #92

Sounds scary. Like we'll all wind up in Concentration Camps? maxsolomon May 2016 #69

No, there is a very large difference between Clinton and Sanders. Baobab May 2016 #74

You didn't answer my questions maxsolomon May 2016 #85

The middle class are being set up to 'pay' the wealthy's 'debt' Baobab May 2016 #86

You know, I've heard this 1000x in my Facebook feed maxsolomon May 2016 #90

Millions of man hours over 15 years have been devoted to setting up "Disciplines on domestic regulat Baobab May 2016 #97

At least one of our party's two candidates supported gun control. tarheelsunc May 2016 #110

A refresher on gun control & Hillary pinebox May 2016 #113

Ted Cruz is far RW pinebox May 2016 #112

"Trust" is not my voting criteria for President maxsolomon May 2016 #115

... but in comparison to Trump? RKP5637 May 2016 #33

Her hand picked opponent? Baobab May 2016 #40

Interesting! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #43

Wow. Fawke Em May 2016 #78

She's more subtle about it Jester Messiah May 2016 #61

I think that's what it is, she uses anesthesia, Trump doesn't. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #64

They both are neoliberals, they both are supporters of guest worker programs that are Baobab May 2016 #98

Pro-war, pro-private prison, pro-fracking, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP does not equate to "left." Scuba May 2016 #6

No one is far left on every issue. Even Bernie is to the right on a few. CrowCityDem May 2016 #7

Hillary is middle-right to far-right on matters of the economy and foreign affairs. Scuba May 2016 #9

Supporting Dodd/Frank, raising taxes on the rich, wanting higher minimum wage. Far right? CrowCityDem May 2016 #11

Pro-war, pro-private prison, pro-fracking, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP. She's right, alright. Scuba May 2016 #12

I see, you're one of those who thinks Bernie is the center, not the far left. CrowCityDem May 2016 #13

America largely agrees that Bernie is the mainstream candidate ... Scuba May 2016 #15

Hillary supports those goals too, just in different policies. CrowCityDem May 2016 #23

No she doesn't. Scuba May 2016 #29

why do you think that's a criteria for the Presidency? maxsolomon May 2016 #36

Because with no trust, how in the bloody blue fuck can we trust what she says her policies are? eom VulgarPoet May 2016 #116

That's the thing Nite Owl May 2016 #106

if there is a GOP congress maxsolomon May 2016 #118

That's, is a good way of summing it up, "Bernie is the mainstream candidate" and that's RKP5637 May 2016 #41

WTO/RGFS will kick wages down, because they are a forbidden "market entry barrier" to foreign firms. Baobab May 2016 #35

So now it's what you think, not what she's said? What a fair standard. Lol. CrowCityDem May 2016 #39

She wants wages in the US to fall to world average rates. She has advocated for that her whole life Baobab May 2016 #44

She's proposed a $12+ minimum wage. You don't get to make up your own facts. CrowCityDem May 2016 #45

Her negotiation starting point is a "homeless" wage. Scuba May 2016 #54

So why did Bernie support $10.10 two years ago? CrowCityDem May 2016 #62

As someone looking for an apartment in the DC area I know damn well the rent is too high forjusticethunders May 2016 #88

That single person might have a child. Scuba May 2016 #91

In that case , the issue is not supporting single parents to the extent we should. forjusticethunders May 2016 #95

... or through a living wage. Scuba May 2016 #100

I'm just telling you that, you don't have to believe me. Baobab May 2016 #72

If we're going to ignore what they are actually saying, why do we have a campaign? CrowCityDem May 2016 #73

So we can hear what they're saying, then compare to their past words and actions. Scuba May 2016 #83

"Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy." LiberalFighter May 2016 #55

Your favorite band? Scuba May 2016 #67

No, she's not, she hid something very important in 1994, do you even know that? Baobab May 2016 #76

I agree completely Ferd Berfel May 2016 #46

She is running on the most progressive policies of a likely nominee BootinUp May 2016 #22

Exactly. CrowCityDem May 2016 #25

It wont matter, the WTO is out of her hands. Baobab May 2016 #79

Contrary to a lot of misinformation pumped by the far left BootinUp May 2016 #81

Stop Talking Sense and Facts! maxsolomon May 2016 #93

t h i s. forjusticethunders May 2016 #94

I wish people knew that the center of American politics was moved to the right by people like her. progressoid May 2016 #56

the center has moved over the years Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #65

Yes, times change. The Democrats were a party of discrimination a century ago. CrowCityDem May 2016 #68

She's to the right of Obama, she'd have to make a hard left turn to get to center. hobbit709 May 2016 #71

I wish people would actually bother to look at polling before making statements like that. jeff47 May 2016 #77

Poof! Your wishes are granted. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #8

It's Hillary's blind obedience faithful who are helping Trump. He will crush her in the GE. Scuba May 2016 #10

Looks that way. No matter how much they try to spin, this B Calm May 2016 #18

Like Glenn Greenwald said recently (and he makes a hell of a point) Electric Monk May 2016 #105

"but if we want her to be hard enough, she will be!" MisterP May 2016 #14

Lies, propaganda and republican talking points is all Berners got workinclasszero May 2016 #16

Yeah, except for her policies. Scuba May 2016 #20

Here. I fixed your chart. It needed some re-calibration. leeroysphitz May 2016 #24

Thats fake and you know it. workinclasszero May 2016 #47

No, it absolutely is not. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #48

Where's the link then? workinclasszero May 2016 #49

If Trump gets in we're all going to be in deep shit, including the damn fools RKP5637 May 2016 #27

This looks reasonable Mike__M May 2016 #50

Oooh chart time! progressoid May 2016 #52

If wishes were fishes... n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #17

K&R silvershadow May 2016 #19

K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #21

Wes Clark backs her Scuba, but in a primary you got to go with your BootinUp May 2016 #26

She wants to keep Glass-Steagall off the books. That's anti-progressive. Zen Democrat May 2016 #30

^^^^^^this 10000 times + ^^^^^^^ laserhaas May 2016 #59

Clinton is progressive and only those with agenda feel otherwise. seabeyond May 2016 #32

I would gladly support Hillary Clinton if I considered her trustworthy and a progressive or liberal. PufPuf23 May 2016 #34

Does it bother you that Bernie... CrowCityDem May 2016 #42

Relax your off topic fabrications. PufPuf23 May 2016 #51

That response makes it obvious you don't actually care about those issues. CrowCityDem May 2016 #53

You know what they say about wishes. Autumn May 2016 #58

Yeah, I know. We've got no time for this incremental shit anymore. It's crunch Nay May 2016 #60

I wish she were retired! oldandhappy May 2016 #63

June 14th... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #80

Secretary Clinton is a progressive. And she is trustworthy. And she will be our next president. StevieM May 2016 #82

keep whispering that to yourself TheSarcastinator May 2016 #87

Please, show a national and recent poll to sadoldgirl May 2016 #89

her healthcare program was a cover up of a really horrible thing.. Baobab May 2016 #99

That's more than a stretch right there. -nt- NorthCarolina May 2016 #111

Wish granted rock May 2016 #96

Another ridiculous Hillary Hater post from the planet Nonsense. RBInMaine May 2016 #101

I wish Trump wasn't insane, or running for POTUS... VOX May 2016 #102

I was behind her last time she ran. I wish the same also. glinda May 2016 #103

kick Logical May 2016 #104

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #107

Kickipoo me b zola May 2016 #109

true Logical May 2016 #114

K&R CharlotteVale May 2016 #117