2016 Postmortem

nadinbrzezinski

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84. Reporter has to run up the flag to editor and make sure

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:09 PM

Jun 2016

this is valid and will not get you in trouble, for example, real world, HUFF POST contributor runs a piece about a RICO indictment, that was not 11o percent bulletproof. We actually have the actual real world example,

I know that after that piece went up, there were a series of emails going back and forth, between the editors and the lawyers, and perhaps a few other sources, to make sure.

Something like that to be 110 percent bulletproof.

You actually gave me an actual real world example. If it is bulletproof, then and only then you run it. That is actually REPORTING on a story, not becoming part of the story, and advocating for a candidate.

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12.8%. That's the margin Hillary won CA by. Remember those suspect polls that were [View all] MariaThinks Jun 2016 OP

They are not intentionally lying Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #1

Yeah well a news bomb stomped on turnout in California so that changed the situaton Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #24

And yet Clinton wins primaries that have much higher turnouts than caucuses mythology Jun 2016 #30

And yet polling clearly showed that high turnout in California would benefit Sanders Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #34

Bernie had a slight lead if those who SAID THEY WOULD NOT VOTE were included in the poll. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #47

They also needed a cover story to explain why Bernie's 10% expected win turned into a 12% reported GoneFishin Jun 2016 #70

GoneFishing, a couple of political scientists Hortensis Jun 2016 #72

Yes, that's how they do it. Helga Scow Stern Jun 2016 #113

the question is why did Bernie's enthusiastic supporters let him down onenote Jun 2016 #35

The question is who coordinated the movement of 20+ superdelegates on the night before the Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #37

Again. Imagine the scenario in which there were a dozen or more SDs ready to jump on Sanders' side onenote Jun 2016 #39

Surveying has been for the past year. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #40

You didn't answer my question. onenote Jun 2016 #43

You're raising a good point Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #46

You know what happened before Monday that convinced more supers to announce for Hillary? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #48

So, why did the Bernie fans in CA not vote?? riversedge Jun 2016 #57

Maybe they thought the election was over since that message was blaring from every MSM news? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #65

haha. riversedge Jun 2016 #80

Well, Sanders preyed upon their gullibility. If you are right, that gullibility cost him California Hoyt Jun 2016 #103

How does it change the polls? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #73

How about "it rains on both sides"? Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #75

Has there been a study? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #79

ENSURED AS DESCRIBED BY GREG PALAST ANALYSIS! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #94

this is just for California Bill USA Jun 2016 #56

Thanks!! Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #93

People are on polls overload. polls now about November aren't worth the time to look at. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2

News flash from the Associated Press: vote suppression works virtualobserver Jun 2016 #3

oh - so you think Romney didn't lose? MariaThinks Jun 2016 #5

The AP didn't call an election in 2012 virtualobserver Jun 2016 #10

It stinks to lose, doesn't it? KingFlorez Jun 2016 #8

No, vote suppression stinks. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #11

Calling this vote suppresion is insulting to the victims of real vote suppression. onenote Jun 2016 #41

there are many forms of vote suppression... virtualobserver Jun 2016 #55

It really is. onenote Jun 2016 #64

you are just making excuses for this kind of manipulation virtualobserver Jun 2016 #66

No you are making excuses for people who get a sad and decide they don't want to vote onenote Jun 2016 #78

Well this is a very well known effect, among experts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #81

Reporter gets reliable tip day before NY primary that Clinton is going to be indicted onenote Jun 2016 #83

Reporter has to run up the flag to editor and make sure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #84

two more examples onenote Jun 2016 #88

Not report and the AP is getting it from ethics folks. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #89

Personally, I think the idea of the press taking direction from a political party onenote Jun 2016 #90

I find advocacy unethical nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #92

Of course they're not. Which is why Clinton is the presumptive nominee onenote Jun 2016 #95

Which is why the party told press NOT TO COUNT THEM nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #96

Yes you are a journalist. But your views on journalism are not the only views onenote Jun 2016 #97

Of course, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #100

I'm quite familiar with FAIR. And while I like some of what they do onenote Jun 2016 #105

And by doing that likely affected the election nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #106

Yes, the reporting of facts can impact an election onenote Jun 2016 #114

The AP did not report in this case nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #117

it wasn't "bad news".....they were told that the Presidential race was over virtualobserver Jun 2016 #91

Jesus nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #74

Thank you ... I'm tired of saying it. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #63

It won't stink to LOSE the Hillary conspiracies at DU. Sometimes losing oasis Jun 2016 #13

It's the press 'horse race' mentality... Blanks Jun 2016 #4

There weren't any polls showing Bernie 10% ahead. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6

exactly. Most recent polls had a two point spread. It was the survey USA and one other one I don't still_one Jun 2016 #27

I would be real careful about bragging about a CA win, entire blocks were not on rosters, larkrake Jun 2016 #7

Sounds... MrWendel Jun 2016 #9

amazing isn't it. Regardless of the margin of victory, regardless of the 2008 support levels, MariaThinks Jun 2016 #15

Yep. The great conspirators allowed Sanders to win in MN and WI just to throw folks off the scent onenote Jun 2016 #44

Cruel were the "powers that be" to allow Bernie's Michigan win. oasis Jun 2016 #99

no, we already know the truth, some people just invent elaborate conspiracy theories geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14

Hell of a suppression technique that keeps 80% of the registered Dems from voting fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #23

And not a shred of evidence to support any of those assertions. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #50

i don't remember any polls with him ahead. at best he was a couple points behind JI7 Jun 2016 #12

Hmm conicidence nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #16

Your county registrar was just guessing. And s/he wasn't that far off. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #18

10 points is way off nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21

"Barely 50" and 55 is pretty close. Good guess. pnwmom Jun 2016 #22

60 percent, 55-60, that is what Michael Vu spoke about nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #26

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #31

But voter suppression is easy d_legendary1 Jun 2016 #38

They do not wnat to admit it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #42

If people choose not to vote it shouldn't be called vote suppression onenote Jun 2016 #49

This is a well known tecnnique nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #58

Because it clearly was not voter suppression. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #52

Experts in the field do not agree with you. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #59

So the media should avoid reporting facts because they might impact an election? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #61

Actually there have been proposals on this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #68

Sorry pal, we've got the 1st Amendment here. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #69

Not if you can prove harm nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #71

But there were all kinds of other races on the ballot LisaM Jun 2016 #32

This is an effect that has been known for decades nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #36

It throws it off a bit TheFarseer Jun 2016 #17

They told that to all the Hillary people, too. pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

They told them TheFarseer Jun 2016 #82

Bernie's campaign spent too much money on large rallies (which are very expensive) pnwmom Jun 2016 #85

You're not wrong TheFarseer Jun 2016 #86

Polling organizations live and die by the accuracy of their polling predictions. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #20

They also probably did not account for the provisional ballots that were foisted on unwary voters. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #29

What smells bad is the >30% reduced voter turnout due to the corporate media. The election results JudyM Jun 2016 #25

Comparing any primary to 2008 is bogus onenote Jun 2016 #45

Seems it was reported that there were more new registrations in CA for this election... JudyM Jun 2016 #51

Correct. And the calculations I gave you took that into account onenote Jun 2016 #62

That is not the final tally. The provisional votes (and based on my experience, there were lots of JDPriestly Jun 2016 #28

This serves as a perfect example of why these potential presidential matchup polls that some Trust Buster Jun 2016 #33

Clinton is far more likely to get hit with a "November surprise" than Sanders is. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #60

Sure she is because she's the nominee and Sanders isn't. ???????? Trust Buster Jun 2016 #104

No. Because there are a million FBI investigations surrounding her private server. w4rma Jun 2016 #115

that's a big margin! those predicting bernie by 10 were off 22%age points! Bill USA Jun 2016 #53

There weren't any polls putting Bernie that far ahead. The best he's done was 1 pt. Zynx Jun 2016 #54

Pretty handy that there were none of those pesky exit polls which prove that Bernie should GoneFishin Jun 2016 #67

exit polls cost money and Hillary was a shoe in to win the nomination regardless of who won qdouble Jun 2016 #108

It should have been a 20 point win. HassleCat Jun 2016 #76

Stolen. AzDar Jun 2016 #77

Stolen from Bernie bhikkhu Jun 2016 #87

What did the "Citizens' Exit Poll" determine? brooklynite Jun 2016 #98

500,000 votes still uncounted in CA.. grasswire Jun 2016 #101

If you need to believe that AP's announcement did nothing, then sure, pollsters lied. merrily Jun 2016 #102

It doesn't matter. Even if for some miracle Bernie won by a few percentage points, Hillary would qdouble Jun 2016 #109

Irrelevant to my post and also untrue. merrily Jun 2016 #110

The AP announced it because your candidate lost. News organizations have been counting qdouble Jun 2016 #111

False and still irrelevant to my post. merrily Jun 2016 #112

"the polls that showed Romney would beat us" ? Are you sure about that? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #107

Romney 49%, Obama 48% in Gallup's Final Election Survey MariaThinks Jun 2016 #119

I just read that there are still approximately 3 million votes not counted. ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #116

and if they all are for Bernie, he wins California! MariaThinks Jun 2016 #120

Those polls showing Bernie ahead were not of likely voters. applegrove Jun 2016 #118