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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
19. The whole system is undemocratic, not just the caucuses. But of course Hillary got more
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jun 2016

votes, and I wouldn't dispute that. How the party establishment lined up and pushed, and shilled, yes even lied about Bernie's past and his record, and loved to count those super-delegates early on in the primary, and sell a meme of Bernie being for angry white men, when he overwhelming took the youth vote(which says something about how unlikely that characterization is), and how the media was complicit in all of it, is my biggest gripe, but that didn't come out of left field, so I certainly wasn't surprised when the DNC pulled down the veil a little bit.

The other shady shit, if in fact there was any, sounds like it was at the margins compared to the manufactured narratives or silences that helped to propel Clinton to the GE. I would not be surprised if that stuff happened, and I think its worth looking at, given that people at all levels of the establishment were "doing their part," but if it did, it just came down to padding, or slightly tipping. Maybe it helped with the narratives, or maybe people are being a little too hyper-paranoid. But I understand why they would be.

By the way, I'll just point out again, that I am in agreement with you about caucuses. When I first heard about them I think a state tipped to Bernie, and I was like, what the hell is that crazy shit? You vote and then somebody else has to show up some day in the future or your vote doesn't count? They are far less egregious than our super-delegate system in my opinion, but both should go. I was really anxious to see what would happen if Bernie got the popular vote and the Supers refused to switch to him. If you think the divisiveness is bad now, the DNC would have taken us nuclear with that move. And no, I don't think they would have switched to him, at least not quite enough of them.. He is the very reason there's such a thing as super-delegates.

As far as democracy winning goes, we appear to have very different lenses through which we see our government. I envy yours, because you apparently believe it isn't broken. I very much believe that money and capitalism have fracked the fuck out of its foundation.

I'll say this though. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.




Nj stolen, NM stolen, SD maybe stolen, CA stolen, why is ND and MT not stolen if its so easy nt msongs Jun 2016 #1
THERE YOU ARE ... We were waiting for your response over here ----> ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #14
They stole what they needed to. They didn't have the nerve to steal NH & VT. reformist2 Jun 2016 #18
Was Ohio stolen by Hillary? What about Florida and Virginia? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #33
That is another power the establishment has bestowed upon themselves. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #22
It is easy. Testimony before Congress established that. merrily Jun 2016 #29
God fucking damn. Just lose. LexVegas Jun 2016 #2
Stop the spamming. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #4
It's what they do. merrily Jun 2016 #30
Amen NurseJackie Jun 2016 #11
I like Bernie TeddyR Jun 2016 #3
Its a catch 22. Say for just a second that there really were forces at work and most people didn't JCanete Jun 2016 #10
JCanete, Hillary won California by nearly 1/2 million votes. Hortensis Jun 2016 #17
The whole system is undemocratic, not just the caucuses. But of course Hillary got more JCanete Jun 2016 #19
As it happens, I do not believe our government Hortensis Jun 2016 #21
No objection to a lot of what you say, and just because I think our government is broken JCanete Jun 2016 #23
No, I don't. But the big threat is from the Republicans. Hortensis Jun 2016 #24
But Clinton entered politics and became wealthy. How do you know who the good guys are? nt JCanete Jun 2016 #25
You NEVER know who the good guys are. randome Jun 2016 #27
Stratospheric levels of wealth are concentrated Hortensis Jun 2016 #34
I never said that only Bernie supporters have an issue with wealth concentration, but if you JCanete Jun 2016 #36
These people are making themselves look ridiculous. How embarrassing. tritsofme Jun 2016 #5
Good gawd, give it a rest. There's no dishonor in finishing with fewer votes. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
But the 1 in 77 billion chance of the exit polls being that wrong is interesting: scscholar Jun 2016 #13
Do you think Sanders stole Minnesota? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #16
Those "probabilities" are just as made-up as the "exit poll discrepancies." -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #28
"Painfully amateur Sanders campaign" never printed a voter guide.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #7
I haven't read this yet G_j Jun 2016 #8
There is a lawsuit. Ultimately, a judge will decide. merrily Jun 2016 #32
That doesn't explain the early voting before now that Hillary led by 10 points stevenleser Jun 2016 #9
If NPP is too confusing, pick a party. Problem solved. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #12
By Palast's logic, my primary vote was stolen too! And I'm an independent in Florida. Native Jun 2016 #15
If you truly believe the democratic party steals every election, why not just immediately leave it? qdouble Jun 2016 #20
I didn't write the article! scscholar Jun 2016 #26
Well, what IS your opinion about the Democratic Party then? MoonRiver Jun 2016 #31
Obviously, I don't. scscholar Jun 2016 #38
This nonsense is so old. Face, Bernie lost. Somebody wins and somebody loses, it isn't soccer tonyt53 Jun 2016 #35
Trump Trolling? realmirage Jun 2016 #37
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