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144. My origins are Green Party
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jun 2016

but its not a viable choice.

We need two dedicated efforts from the next administration:
fix the deficiencies in the federal elections (we can't force a fix in state and local): set a uniform standard for who can vote to president and congress: don't allow local states to create barriers to voting which disenfranchise our citizens:
in that area: fix gerrymandering


'do a space race' type effort for climate change.


everything else should be subordinate to those two goals.

I have said for months that his is a mostly white revolution. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #1
It's not his revolution. It predates his candidacy... Orsino Jun 2016 #10
Isn't the nation mostly white? KPN Jun 2016 #30
But the Democratic base is not mostly white Gothmog Jun 2016 #86
The Democratic party is about 60% white AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #145
Is that why the Sanders campaign felt social justice was of secondary importance? Squinch Jun 2016 #176
A $15 minimum wage would disportionately help POC. Ash_F Jun 2016 #161
They could just as easily wrote: How Bernie Sanders exposed Democrats generational rift Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #2
This is false on its face, all the early polling showed millennial PoC with Hillary uponit7771 Jun 2016 #4
Nationwide - not just California. Below 30 consistently favored Bernie. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #9
That was not split by race, I've not seen one poll were PoC millienials supported Sanders uponit7771 Jun 2016 #12
Milienials include those over 30 also. Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #21
Understood, I still haven't seen any data showing the shift from Feb that PoC Mils were mostly uponit7771 Jun 2016 #25
You should have kept reading. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #16
Actually, early on, Clinton well had millennials until pied piper walked past. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #39
Disgusting statement denigrating young people. Unrec. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #151
Not all democrats are young bravenak Jun 2016 #5
Nor do all old Americans Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #11
From the article: TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
It would be good to have newer data Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #13
You got a link to those? I've not seen one poll split by race after the "southern states" uponit7771 Jun 2016 #19
I said exit polls Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #125
Then, I'm sure you can provide proof of your assertions. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #23
NBC News May 28 report Sanders won 18-29 black voters 52-47 icecreamfan Jun 2016 #126
That's based on exit polls. And that is the only place on the entire Internet that I've seen where Number23 Jun 2016 #159
+1, BOOM Goes the "millennial" support... it was mostly white millennial uponit7771 Jun 2016 #17
I can buy that. Young folks are influenced by their parents views KPN Jun 2016 #31
There are good reasons why African Americans are not supporting Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #90
people power... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #3
People power... Lord Magus Jun 2016 #27
I'll raise you with.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #58
Your point? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #60
politics is hardball... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #65
Yes: this election showed that many Democrats are fine with bombing brown people in foreign nations, cpwm17 Jun 2016 #7
+1, "made a breakthrough with black voters because he lost them ONLY by 35 %.." uponit7771 Jun 2016 #8
To be very fair forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #73
people whose communities have different histories have different ways of viewing the geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
Economic class divisions affect people of all colors. Armstead Jun 2016 #42
There are other issues besides economics. Issues many find more important. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54
You are correct, there are many issues.......It is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time Armstead Jun 2016 #63
Bernie has always condemned police brutality against Blacks. raging moderate Jun 2016 #128
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #15
Yep. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #22
+1, Wall Street is the boogyman of the privileged and he stoked the anger from economic insecurity uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
Right workinclasszero Jun 2016 #28
wut? progressoid Jun 2016 #49
The "Silent Majority" and "Reagan Democrats", the moderate Republicans of yesterday voted PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #52
Wrong. raging moderate Jun 2016 #171
Wall Street rips off people of all colors Armstead Jun 2016 #41
"One of these days that will sink in to those who want to make everything about race. " sigh uponit7771 Jun 2016 #84
I am not arguing against people having different priorities Armstead Jun 2016 #94
Then the dem candidate needs to address those issues relative to constituents, not just back uponit7771 Jun 2016 #96
Sorry but this will do neither of us any good Armstead Jun 2016 #101
You're right, I live on the planet were not competing were a lot of PoC live isn't a good tactical uponit7771 Jun 2016 #105
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #149
For people who aren't white straight males dsc Jun 2016 #177
There is no logic in this -- We can't as a society do more than one thing? Armstead Jun 2016 #178
if you're privileged then Wall Street is hardly a boogey man azurnoir Jun 2016 #78
Horse shit Armstead Jun 2016 #38
Yes. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #40
God no. What total and complete bullshit. The only thing that made it that way JCanete Jun 2016 #82
Weaver and Divine admitted not competing in the "southern states" & Sanders lost by over 4 mil votes uponit7771 Jun 2016 #87
That has nothing to do with his platform or policies, which would all benefit minorities JCanete Jun 2016 #97
Most of the dem PoC where in the "southern states" so if they didn't compete for them how in uponit7771 Jun 2016 #102
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #150
This pretty much sums it up: sufrommich Jun 2016 #18
So very true, I called it a temper tantrum months ago... Weaver and Divine both said they didn't uponit7771 Jun 2016 #24
It shouldn't be really surprising though if you think back to the animosity justiceischeap Jun 2016 #29
Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of Hillary Clinton in his support for gay rights. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #34
Hold on one fucking minute... I am 59, White, Male and GAY... Raster Jun 2016 #35
Here since 2001 and that's how I remember it as well. QC Jun 2016 #44
That is total crap Armstead Jun 2016 #69
That seemed to have been specifically about Bernie or Busters gollygee Jun 2016 #92
+1000 redStateBlueHeart Jun 2016 #75
very few Sanders supporters are toying with or will be voting for Trump azurnoir Jun 2016 #79
Very interesting read (well worth the time to read the entire thing!) etherealtruth Jun 2016 #20
Agreed, but I wonder how many actually read the whole thing before commenting. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #130
I think that was missed in the reading .... etherealtruth Jun 2016 #131
Excellent article.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #32
I had always believed that a populist campaign would appeal to both Black and White voters. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #33
Economics do not always trump race. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #56
Regardless of race DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #64
Economics do not always trump race GummyBearz Jun 2016 #72
Republicans and conservatives? Armstead Jun 2016 #76
There are other issues that are important to people. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #77
Yeap, ANOTHER post explaining what PoC "best interest" are... nothing new for Sanders camp uponit7771 Jun 2016 #89
+1, this was talked about ad nausea last year and was ignored then and is ignored now uponit7771 Jun 2016 #88
But economic issues touch everyone bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #99
Where do you get that? All I'm saying is that there are other issues people find as important. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #103
You have to give a broad range of people reason to vote for you. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #122
Clinton's message reached a broader, more diverse coalition of voters. That says it all. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #124
The Corporate and Wall St. Barons are equal opportunity exploiters Armstead Jun 2016 #74
Is politico one of your now favorite sources? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #36
We often believe only that which validates our bias, and conveniently discount all else... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #43
I do not care what she had to say. Just because we are both black women, does not mean I must defer bravenak Jun 2016 #48
You seem to avoid discussing the substance of what she says. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #129
I do not care what she says bravenak Jun 2016 #132
And that really sums it up. You seem not to care what the Clinton have done to damage the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #133
Bernie voted for it too so.... bravenak Jun 2016 #134
Voting for a bill doesn't mean you like every thing in it. But you know that. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #152
But it does make one responsible for their own vote bravenak Jun 2016 #154
Arguably yes. But that isn't what you said. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #168
His vote counted. He voted yes, regardless of his motivations for doing so bravenak Jun 2016 #169
Because the executive supported it, and she was part of that and supported it JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #172
More excuses bravenak Jun 2016 #179
Your response to my substantive, thoughtful post was exactly as I expected. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #181
Your post was disingenuous. bravenak Jun 2016 #182
How so? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #183
As I said before bravenak Jun 2016 #184
And I explained why the Clintons could have only chosen the good parts if they wanted JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #185
No bravenak Jun 2016 #186
You need a 2/3 majority to override a veto, not a 50%+1 majority. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #187
What has that got to do with anything? bravenak Jun 2016 #190
That was comprehensive. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #37
I expect to see much more of this type of article bravenak Jun 2016 #53
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #45
This is far more complicated than is usually acknowledged. Beowulf Jun 2016 #46
The fact that his supporters were so against sjw and 'identity politics' is half the problem bravenak Jun 2016 #47
The sad thing is forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #62
That is pretty much what I was waiting for from him bravenak Jun 2016 #66
Going in I honestly expected he was going to do a lot of the same things Obama did forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #68
I agree with this wholeheartedly!! Beowulf Jun 2016 #83
Super Predators who must be brought to heel; 13 year olds charged as adults appalachiablue Jun 2016 #50
Bernie voted YES on that crime bill bravenak Jun 2016 #51
Don't wonder about me and history, know that I have two degrees in the field. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #55
If you have two degrees why did you not research the crime bill and Bernie's support bravenak Jun 2016 #57
Never said I didn't know this info. did I? You brought up what 'history appalachiablue Jun 2016 #67
Yeah whatever bravenak Jun 2016 #71
and another post about Bernie and his racist followers. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #59
I can tell you did not read it bravenak Jun 2016 #61
oh I read it but here's a fact more whites voted for Barack Obama in '08 than Bill Clinton in '92 azurnoir Jun 2016 #81
K, so you didn't read it cause what white people did wasn't the center of the article .... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #108
a question why when Sanders was very clear in wanting to improve economics/ quality of life for all azurnoir Jun 2016 #109
That goes without saying for any dem candidate, not addressing peoples priorities is the issue heree uponit7771 Jun 2016 #111
oh so it was over homogenized or everybody wasn't good enough for some azurnoir Jun 2016 #113
No, it was overly homogenized and not addressing all of the dem bases priorities. It's that simple uponit7771 Jun 2016 #114
so wanting a better system economically and legally for all isn't good enough? azurnoir Jun 2016 #116
Its a start, its not the end all though and that's where Sanders stopped and Clinton's didn't uponit7771 Jun 2016 #121
what did Clinton do-all I seem to remember was photo-ops with the mothers of victims ? azurnoir Jun 2016 #135
Can you stop putting words in people's mouth? forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #70
No, another post about how Sanders appeal wasn't diverse enough cause JUST LIKE IN THIS THREAD uponit7771 Jun 2016 #91
He also exposed a lot of anti Semitic "democrats" nt Autumn Jun 2016 #80
That's the fact, Jack. Also lots of Reagan loving LGBT dismissig 'Democrats'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #95
Yes. Bernie running was the best thing that ever happened. He peeled back the Autumn Jun 2016 #100
Bingo. You win the thread. n/t QC Jun 2016 #115
+10000 eom Arazi Jun 2016 #139
There it is. (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2016 #191
The Sanders revolution is a mostly white movement Gothmog Jun 2016 #85
Excellent article, thanks Raastan Jun 2016 #93
YES !! Sanders message was centered towards the very people who mostly supported him uponit7771 Jun 2016 #98
universal healthcare, free college, a living wage, non-corrupt politics.... killbotfactory Jun 2016 #106
HRC had a similar message and PoC didn't believe she was Satans daughter so the character uponit7771 Jun 2016 #107
Clinton was only a no-name longshot with only a message and a prayer. killbotfactory Jun 2016 #104
The racial rift looks a lot different if he wins Nevada SheenaR Jun 2016 #110
Weaver and Divine admitted not competing in the "southern states" & Sanders lost by over 4 mil votes uponit7771 Jun 2016 #112
Glad you read my post SheenaR Jun 2016 #117
Yes, they did fail to compete from the start if they didn't put resources in those states and uponit7771 Jun 2016 #119
They had resources in ZERO states post the first four SheenaR Jun 2016 #123
As a Bernie supporter I've been trying to come to grips with this issue. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #118
Yes, it's a lot of information to assess. lovemydog Jun 2016 #156
IMO, the concept of a new revolution is a much more comfortable idea Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #120
Climate change will render a lot of navel gazing moot. And soon Arazi Jun 2016 #140
My origins are Green Party Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #144
Shrug. I'll vote my conscience Arazi Jun 2016 #146
That is a bullshit article posted by a bullshit corporatist media source. Nuff said! floriduck Jun 2016 #127
What specifically do you take issue with? Garrett78 Jun 2016 #137
OMG the author nailed it BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #136
I had to read it multiple times to get all I needed from it bravenak Jun 2016 #138
That's what was remarkable about the article BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #141
I felt like they read my posts and use it to write this bravenak Jun 2016 #142
+infinity BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #143
Great article. qdouble Jun 2016 #147
I wonder if you have ever noticed that many of the DUers that did not Live and Learn Jun 2016 #148
I noticed the opposite bravenak Jun 2016 #167
Check back a bit further . nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #173
Not only that... coyote Jun 2016 #153
That is an AMAZING read. And I hope it puts an end to the lie that Black youths supported him Number23 Jun 2016 #155
"The expectation that a politician should agree with you lovemydog Jun 2016 #158
It's a great read. Some of it is problematic but overall, it is a very important read Number23 Jun 2016 #160
Yes, it's well worth discussing. lovemydog Jun 2016 #162
"Southern" voters were the POINT of the Fairness Commission. joshcryer Jun 2016 #164
Very interesting article. lovemydog Jun 2016 #157
This proves that the Fairness Commission and Mikulski Commission worked. joshcryer Jun 2016 #163
Thank you for this in depth article, brave. Cha Jun 2016 #165
More bullshit. Here are some racial gaffes noiretextatique Jun 2016 #166
This answers questions I've been asking myself for months! LAS14 Jun 2016 #170
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #174
You couldn't have read the article. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #175
OMG!!11 The Nation of Islam has taken over DU!!11 Bow ties and bean pies for everybody!!1eleven Number23 Jun 2016 #180
Yeah that was something gollygee Jun 2016 #189
I re-read the original article, lovemydog Jun 2016 #192
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #188
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