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2016 Postmortem

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lostnfound

(16,157 posts)
102. Labels have their upside and downside
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

I sympathize with your perspective, am about the same age and feel similarly.
What gets me is when I think about four or eight years of a hawkish wall-street friendly president who inevitably throws social security under the bus and probably a lot of other progressive ideas along with it, if the Main Street economy is stumbling and wars continue to sap the hope out of the dream, will it make a difference if there's a D or an R after the name? One difference it will ale is the alliance with the congress -- not only which party will be strengthened, but which BRANCH of the party. You dance with them that brung ya.

Trump sucks and is a menace. Congratulations, powers that be, for finding a candidate scary enough to persuade millions to vote AGAINST him. Even some GOP will vote against him.

Flashback/blowback. It's a little hard to predict the consequences. I fear the empowerment and rise of brownshirts, but I also fear that democratic ideals will be extinguished after decades of being suppressed. When I look at Sherrod Browne and Howard Dean now, and others, I am reminded of invasion of the body snatchers. Idealism being dealt a death blow as corporate power continues to consolidate its control.

These are dangerous times. I read a book "Readin Loliita in Tehran" and others that talk about the rise of fundamentalist right when political instability creates an opening.

Sadly, I want to know what war stocks to buy. Not to improve my own standard of living, but because I know MANY of my friends and family who are already struggling are going to need my help, as social security is starved and healthcare costs are not addressed and wages continue their downward spiral. I feel hopeless about the economic future for the 99%.. Or at least for the 80%.

Do I want a split in the GOP ? Hell yes. Do I want a split in the Dems? Tough question. Not really; what I wanted was an FDR Dem to take the lead for a while. Since that isn't happening, its obvious that my participation in politics is worthless anyway, so why not concentrate on my own personal circumstances which will need to be reinforced, because the aging people in my life with serious developing medical issues are going to need all the help they can get. The progressive ideas that watering the roots of our economy by actually expanding social security and raising minimum wage aren't going to be given airtime in the next administration. That seems certain.

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Bye, Felicia. bigwillq Jun 2016 #1
How on earth did you escape my ignore list? Amaril Jun 2016 #36
That's seriously fucked up... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #52
You're not big - ur quite small. 840high Jun 2016 #68
How utterly sad. I think you just made his case. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #106
I don't know about her being a "great president" cheapdate Jun 2016 #2
K&R Wish you would have posted more. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #3
Well if you're not voting for the Democratic nominee it is best you leave MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #4
I don't think you have to leave. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #5
Sorry to see you leave OKDem08 Jun 2016 #6
My dear Nightjock... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #7
Sadly so RobertEarl Jun 2016 #8
Take care and peace to you, Nightjock. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #9
I hope you don't leave Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #10
I hear you Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #11
Hey don't go ucrdem Jun 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #62
While you have every right to do as you CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #13
So you find nothing of value left in DU now? left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #14
Give yourself a chance to cool off... Adrahil Jun 2016 #15
I find it truly baffling that someone would want to help Trump by not voting in November. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #16
trump cant win swhisper1 Jun 2016 #20
I thought that about Reagan and Bush. I will never think that again. tblue37 Jun 2016 #87
Exactly what they said abbout Hitlker in Germany obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #97
Nye, your SLIP is showing swhisper1 Jun 2016 #22
I find it truly baffling that so many don't get it. No clue why some won't rhett o rick Jun 2016 #108
Who said "sit down and shut up"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #110
I am shaking my head. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #111
I will conclude this exchange with the words of Elizabeth Warren, who I greatly admire: Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #112
I will not miss folks who can't conform to the rules or folks who wont vote for the Dem nominee. stevenleser Jun 2016 #17
You'll have about as many readers left here... JackRiddler Jun 2016 #27
And that was the post that did it. Bye now, Steven. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #50
Reread the post to which you are responding. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #58
If the rules were in effect you'd be on a vacation right now Mr 6 hides.. Fumesucker Jun 2016 #66
I would not miss you. 840high Jun 2016 #70
But they'll miss you so terribly much Armstead Jun 2016 #109
I am on the same page - and will be OFF the same page - as you. djean111 Jun 2016 #18
Another vote for Trump. Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #19
weeeeeeel, that is constructive- not ............. Jesus what a hater swhisper1 Jun 2016 #21
The neocons have grown strong here, and have influenced many, Dragonfli Jun 2016 #25
pity for the radicals is of coarse the answer. I just wish I didnt have to wade thru them to get to swhisper1 Jun 2016 #30
Pity is, of course, not the answer. Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #78
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #72
Did you call me a neocon? Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #77
man for real you really believe that. lol, so how many wars did bill clinton wage.. n/t. okieinpain Jun 2016 #114
Explain how defeating trump and electing Democrats Jakes Progress Jun 2016 #71
Welcome to my long list of Hillbots on ignore. TDale313 Jun 2016 #26
Condescending much? Amaril Jun 2016 #32
Submit or be browbeaten! AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #34
if Clinton's election depends on one Nightjock vote, she's in a hell of a lot more trouble MisterP Jun 2016 #84
Enjoy Dem2 Jun 2016 #23
And the rudeness continues. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #63
I hope you find a place on the web that you feel good about. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #24
Bye, Felicia. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #28
Your candidate lost, so you're taking your ball and going home. And yes, he lost fair and square. Metric System Jun 2016 #29
I didn't have you on my bracket sheet. Shit. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #31
If Bernie asked you to vote for Hillary, would you? VOX Jun 2016 #33
I wish you well. See you all at the next bend of the Deep River of progressive souls. kgnu_fan Jun 2016 #35
Bow out? snort Jun 2016 #37
Looking forward to that! n/t NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #41
Sounds like you're a good candidate for the national embarrassment known as the "Fart-In". randome Jun 2016 #43
So your candidate GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #60
Beautifully stated. RiverLover Jun 2016 #38
FDR my ass GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #67
Agree lancer78 Jun 2016 #80
Jack pine radicals GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #83
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. Nietzsche Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #39
Byeeee! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #40
Your user name spot on! n/t PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #86
Yes, I'm quite proud of it! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #104
Apt name. 840high Jun 2016 #89
You asked for it! FLAME ON! randome Jun 2016 #42
Why stay somewhere your viewpoint is not wanted? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #49
Senate Voting Records Sanders, Clinton and Warren jamese777 Jun 2016 #44
When I took one of those "which candidate is for you?" tests, Marco Rubio came in dead last for me Rhiannon12866 Jun 2016 #92
Yeah but too many of those 1%+ differential between Hilary and Bernie wound up in body counts BobSmith4152 Jun 2016 #103
So you go from "loving the Clintons" for years to basically despising them this year. DCBob Jun 2016 #45
The difference is athena Jun 2016 #48
I would gladly vote for Warren so you 840high Jun 2016 #73
That's easy to say given that Warren is not running for president. athena Jun 2016 #74
Frankly I don't care 840high Jun 2016 #79
Have you ever heard lancer78 Jun 2016 #81
That is exactly what it is obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #99
Face it, Bob... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #53
You don't have to say goodbye - there is another alternative Samantha Jun 2016 #46
Your description pretty much mirrors my experience. seabeckind Jun 2016 #47
Goodbye, Nightjock! Hope to see you snot Jun 2016 #51
The pleasure is all over here with your news of leaving XRubicon Jun 2016 #54
Does it occur to you that you don't have to leave? mythology Jun 2016 #55
I hope to converse with you... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #56
Anybody keeping count of the GBCW posts this season? LonePirate Jun 2016 #57
I feel the same as you, Nightjock. chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #59
Don't leave senseandsensibility Jun 2016 #61
Anyone not voting for president because of some dumb crusade is part of the problem. YouDig Jun 2016 #64
uhm jcgoldie Jun 2016 #65
I am almost 60 feel the same way marlakay Jun 2016 #69
I feel the same way. This 840high Jun 2016 #75
Me too. I can remember before Al Fromm and Bill Clinton decided the Democratic Leadership BobSmith4152 Jun 2016 #105
Why would you leave? Insulting between the different factions is supposed to end. That in no way still_one Jun 2016 #76
Thanks for the post. I feel the same way. jalan48 Jun 2016 #82
Let me explain to you why you're doing this realmirage Jun 2016 #85
swell enid602 Jun 2016 #88
Yet you read it and commented - swell. 840high Jun 2016 #90
I don't even need to read the posts anymore. Just look at the # of posts robbedvoter Jun 2016 #91
Very similar for me. Dems left me and DU too. Goodbye and good luck! masmdu Jun 2016 #93
You of course are within your rights to help put Trump in the White House BainsBane Jun 2016 #94
+1 obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #100
Great post, BainsBane. brer cat Jun 2016 #113
Yes, when the Dixicrats left the party, they left Ronald Reagan...so he eventually joined them. glennward Jun 2016 #95
The split in the German left dating from WWI doomed the Weimar Republic struggle4progress Jun 2016 #96
I said that upthread -- that is exactly how it happened obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #101
YOU NEVER REALLY LOVED HER!!!!!!1!111 obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #98
Labels have their upside and downside lostnfound Jun 2016 #102
lol, man i could not stop laughing reading this post. way too funny. n/t. okieinpain Jun 2016 #107
This is everything progressives claim to hate. "I won't talk to anyone who's not like me." nolabear Jun 2016 #115
My sentiments, exactly. GardeningGal Jun 2016 #116
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