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2016 Postmortem

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J_J_

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Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:56 PM Jun 2016

California’s lengthy vote count stokes theories that Sanders actually won the primary [View all]



It's true that the ballots counted since Election Day have split more evenly between Sanders and Clinton than the early vote or Election Day ballots. When the networks called the race, 3,442,623 votes had been cast for either candidate, with Clinton leading by 438,537 votes. As of the last ballot update Wednesday morning, 4,693,010 total votes had been cast. Clinton's lead was at 445,366 votes.

But the water-torture nature of the count, which processes as few as 25,000 new ballots a day, has dangled out hope for Sanders supporters. On election day, Sanders won just two congressional districts and lost counties that his campaign thought were favorable, such as Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo and Yolo (home of the University of California at Davis).

Sanders has since won those counties and picked up five more congressional districts, including the 13th District, which covers the city of Berkeley and had shocked reporters on election day by apparently going for Clinton.... Richard Charnin has argued that "Sanders had 75 percent of the estimated 20 percent of voters who were disenfranchised," and that Sanders's weaker performance in states with electronic ballots suggested that votes had been stolen.

Few Sanders supporters endorse that theory, but in California, many are still lobbying the secretary of state (a Democrat) to count every provisional ballot, on the theory that they might otherwise be tossed. (Every election, thousands of ballots are spoiled for various reasons.) On the Bernie or Bust Facebook group's page Wednesday, an activist named Anthony Rodriguez reported that a direct action at a Los Angeles registrar's office had succeeded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/
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Just let it go.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #1
Uh..er nope .. l laserhaas Jun 2016 #3
Zzzz it always takes a long time to count the votes in California anigbrowl Jun 2016 #19
I just dont understan calling for vote gsmes laserhaas Jun 2016 #22
The integrity of our voting system is more than worth a look into how it is performing, whether or Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #33
Hillary's 9% ahead in California, and continued Hortensis Jun 2016 #53
It says we count votes and we MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #36
The Washington Post thought it interesting enough to write a story about this J_J_ Jun 2016 #4
"Theories" and that's about it. Agschmid Jun 2016 #2
Let us know how it turns out. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #5
Sane Sanders supporters know he simply lost alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #6
Yeah..keep telling yourself that bull laserhaas Jun 2016 #23
I'm glad this is being mentioned and they are counting the actual votes Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #7
:-P NurseJackie Jun 2016 #8
"Sanders had 75 percent of the estimated 20 percent of voters who were disenfranchised" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #9
If gibberish is put in the form of statisitcs it will seem more credible to some. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #18
Count all the votes. Hillary still won and by a landslide. NYC Liberal Jun 2016 #10
... lamp_shade Jun 2016 #11
PERFECT! Thread winner! nt COLGATE4 Jun 2016 #28
+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #50
Here is the official website. It is like watching paint dry. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #12
And Hillary's lead in popular BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #37
Math still isn't some folks strong suit onenote Jun 2016 #13
Ancient Alien Theorists think Bernie won CA!!! JoePhilly Jun 2016 #14
If you believe Sanders won, clap your hands! Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #15
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #29
No....that's your definition laserhaas Jun 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #35
Um, just so you know, I'm a Californian who voted for Bernie Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #44
Whats your choice got anything to do with our right to know_ laserhaas Jun 2016 #57
Who is denying you the right to know? Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #60
The law gives the counties a month to count the ballots BainsBane Jun 2016 #16
Actually...The night before..when AP said it's done laserhaas Jun 2016 #25
If mistake = understated the margin of Hillary's victory by a few thousand votes, sure. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #34
This is getting tiresome in my opinion cosmicone Jun 2016 #17
Trying to undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee is a Republican tactic. baldguy Jun 2016 #20
+1 n/t FSogol Jun 2016 #46
+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #51
+ 1000 BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #56
I'm not optimistic that it will change the results democrattotheend Jun 2016 #21
Good for you laserhaas Jun 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #27
seems legit ! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #30
I guess at this point, I don't really care. liberal N proud Jun 2016 #31
As of this morning (6/26/16) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #38
I know. Declaring "Victory" for a completely meaningless gesture. randome Jun 2016 #39
Unless Sanders won something like 75 to 25, it wouldn't matter regardless. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #40
"Few Sanders supporters endorse that theory..." Spazito Jun 2016 #41
Umm... Sanders has been slightly losing the vote since the election was called. Adrahil Jun 2016 #42
Don't understand the reasoning here, Clinton is gaining votes on Sanders yellowcanine Jun 2016 #43
"Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary" Tarc Jun 2016 #45
What are the odds that the outcome will change? LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #47
It already has changed the outcome Tom Rinaldo Jun 2016 #48
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #49
This is the second OP you have done implying that California does not count provisional ballots still_one Jun 2016 #52
+1000 n/t zappaman Jun 2016 #54
Theories about who won aren't useful when the ballots haven't all been counted. Orsino Jun 2016 #55
You're right about a state primary victory for California LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #58
No victory is officially declared until the votes are counted and certified onenote Jun 2016 #59
441,355 vote lead for Clinton now Dem2 Jun 2016 #61
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