2016 Postmortem

Betty Karlson

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1. Looks like chickens have been counted before they were hatched.

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:29 AM

Jun 2016

Dear Democrats, please give the sense of entitlement a rest: you still need to win over Sanders supporters, because the ticket won't just be Clinton and Trump. (Constructive criticism.)

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The rest of the story about Washington Post poll. [View all] rgbecker Jun 2016 OP

Looks like chickens have been counted before they were hatched. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #1

There seems to be little more HRC can do to "win over" Sanders' voters outside of giving him the Jitter65 Jun 2016 #2

Sorry, but extolling the virtues of the establishment won't help here. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #3

"establishment"--like John Lewis. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #5

What is not reality Uponthegears Jun 2016 #86

Apparently your definition of establishment is a new one. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #95

Allow me to disagree Uponthegears Jun 2016 #96

It's not about you. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7

Establishment - like Barney Frank and Planned Parenthood? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #80

I wouldn't presume to tell whether Jitter65 considers Barney Frank "establishment", Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #88

I read your list of "Must dos" for Clinton to gain your support and I'm sure that everyone else who politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #98

The question is whether those supprters want the party to keep itself together. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #104

Uh, the establishment brought us what? PatrickforO Jun 2016 #51

And I want a Lamborghini Aventador 730 n/t cosmicone Jun 2016 #66

Thanks for the comment.... Human101948 Jun 2016 #101

Single payer won't work - at least done in less than 10 years. ehrnst Jun 2016 #81

Churchill, I believe, said that we American could always be counted on PatrickforO Jun 2016 #105

For many, many reasons, it's not feasible in the US at this time ehrnst Jun 2016 #112

The Defense Budget isn't "war spending". George II Jun 2016 #100

Much of it is. And much of the tremendous expenditures are wasted. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #107

She's getting no encouragement from them looks like she can't win them over - she will have to kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #53

Moving to the center is exactly what she shouldn't do. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #108

Maybe our party needs more TPP. Let's try that! n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #72

Please tell me that wasn't a serious suggestion? Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #89

I happen to agree that it's a shitty idea. It is the plan, however. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #93

The Green Party is on the ballot on 33 states; the Libertarians, 21. pnwmom Jun 2016 #22

You are right, hopefully. I have been a fervent Bernie supporter, PatrickforO Jun 2016 #109

Some don't realize the disaster if we got less than 270 electoral votes. pnwmom Jun 2016 #113

Yeah, you know I saw an article where an internal RNC memo PatrickforO Jun 2016 #114

I think Bernie effectively sent the message that there is a thirst among Dems pnwmom Jun 2016 #115

...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #42

Remember, it's not the people here who need to win over anyone. It's also not the people here eastwestdem Jun 2016 #49

This site is primarily entertainment for me because I love being able PatrickforO Jun 2016 #110

Take responsibility for your own choices 72DejaVu Jun 2016 #58

I support down-ticket Democrats alright. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #59

Not supporting the democratic nominee for POTUS violates TOS cosmicone Jun 2016 #67

Explicitly saying so violates the TOS. But I said: I support down-ticket Democrats Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #71

We keep hearing that she needs to win over the Sanders supporters liberal N proud Jun 2016 #79

Well, first, which is it? 51 to 39 or 46 to 41? Hortensis Jun 2016 #4

The poll looks like an outlier. I wouldn't worry about it. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6

Again with the Mrs. Clinton mercuryblues Jun 2016 #8

What is the correct protocol? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #10

Either SoS or Senator would be fine. "Honorable" also works. mikehiggins Jun 2016 #12

Well said Rose Siding Jun 2016 #14

See my #17 Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #18

have you ever mercuryblues Jun 2016 #15

Internet suggests that Senator is correct, but Secretary is not. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #17

When the media mercuryblues Jun 2016 #21

That is the New York Times format democrattotheend Jun 2016 #20

Don't they use the title the first time and then revert to bettyellen Jun 2016 #24

Only for the president, it seems democrattotheend Jun 2016 #26

I knew they always call him Pres Onama at first! bettyellen Jun 2016 #44

Sickening. I'm glad to finally know the reality of how women are really thought of. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #54

I think New York Times is complying with a gender-neutral style guide. David__77 Jun 2016 #57

Prediction: your facts will be ignored. n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #70

As well as the AP Stylebook. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #90

I would be curious about how they know her preference. spooky3 Jun 2016 #91

Here's some more information. David__77 Jun 2016 #92

Thanks, but your link didn't come through. spooky3 Jun 2016 #97

Sorry, I fixed it above. David__77 Jun 2016 #103

Thanks. spooky3 Jun 2016 #106

NBC not Wapo Johnny2X2X Jun 2016 #9

Correct. writes3000 Jun 2016 #11

yes this is NBC and WSJ MFM008 Jun 2016 #56

Jill Stein's vote share is an inconsequential target... brooklynite Jun 2016 #13

But Rose Siding Jun 2016 #16

By your logic she should get a libertarian VP. Stein gets 6, Johnson gets 10. YouDig Jun 2016 #19

They're on the ballot in only 33 states (Greens) and 21 states (Libertarians). pnwmom Jun 2016 #23

meh JoePhilly Jun 2016 #25

Hillary has never polled well with unaffiliated, new or independent voters. fasttense Jun 2016 #27

Some people hold on to principles and see that the best can be made from it. peace13 Jun 2016 #32

Like this. 840high Jun 2016 #43

A GREEN candidate? Kermit the Frog? DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #28

I think we are better than this. peace13 Jun 2016 #29

Speak for yourself DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #35

One would hope to think so, but NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #116

"3rd" parties always poll better now than they actually perform in November. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #30

Clinton IS a strong progressive MaggieD Jun 2016 #31

You do know she calls herself a moderate from time to time don't you? peace13 Jun 2016 #34

Moderate compared to a socialist MaggieD Jun 2016 #36

She's awesome at being everything! peace13 Jun 2016 #37

She is awesome at being a progressive Democrat MaggieD Jun 2016 #38

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. peace13 Jun 2016 #39

I'm supporting our party's nominee for president MaggieD Jun 2016 #40

Support is only meaningful if based on her actual record, and her progressive cred is too limited JudyM Jun 2016 #55

I disagree MaggieD Jun 2016 #60

Would you please point to specific achievements? I would like to be able to see "effectiveness" as JudyM Jun 2016 #64

Ushering through SCHIP as First Lady MaggieD Jun 2016 #65

We are hardly looking for purity, that's a false canard. JudyM Jun 2016 #69

Okay, but my perception is different than yours MaggieD Jun 2016 #73

Truth, a lot of people can't handle it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #47

This is Democratic Underground. We support he Democratic nominee. leftofcool Jun 2016 #52

That would be nice! MaggieD Jun 2016 #74

ain't that the truth. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #50

She is not a strong progressive Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #75

The facts simply don't support your assertion MaggieD Jun 2016 #77

Supporting Clinton and thinking she is a "strong progressive" Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #84

If the progressives of the Dem party endorse one candidate, and not the other ehrnst Jun 2016 #78

Exactly MaggieD Jun 2016 #82

I thought this was about whether Clinton was a progressive Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #83

Pissing match? I simply applied your logic about her ehrnst Jun 2016 #85

Then we are back to the other argument on this subthread Goblinmonger Jun 2016 #99

Lol,your defination is not mine. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #87

No worries - your definition of a Democrat is not mine either MaggieD Jun 2016 #94

16%? How can you add WhiteTara Jun 2016 #33

The former secretary of state is already wise. lapucelle Jun 2016 #41

Suggesting she would be "wise to get a strong progressive/green candidate on her ticket" SheilaT Jun 2016 #45

Sorry you misunderstood my suggestion. rgbecker Jun 2016 #46

Then I wish you'd have expressed it that way. SheilaT Jun 2016 #61

IMO did you make a freudian slip DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #63

81% of Sanders' supporters have already switched to Hillary. cosmicone Jun 2016 #68

Most of Julian Castro's political beliefs Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #62

The poll looks like an outlier RAFisher Jun 2016 #48

81% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for Hillary still_one Jun 2016 #76

It's really quite irrelevant, because Stein & Johnson will end up with less than 1% in November. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #102

Not to reopen an old wound but tell that to Al Gore. bklyncowgirl Jun 2016 #111