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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
63. Some of us always have.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:15 AM
Jul 2016

I wanted progressive platform amendments in 1980 as a Kennedy supporter, 1984 and 1988 as a Jackson supporter and 2004 as a Kucinich supporter(most of those campaigns were before the internet).

People on the left have ALWAYS cared about the platform.

If you don't care what the party stands for, then why bother? Scootaloo Jul 2016 #1
.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #53
This is the weirdest argument, eh? DirkGently Jul 2016 #75
That is one of the things for which I have the greatest respect for Sanders. pangaia Jul 2016 #84
Well obviously getting things done is a product of both, right? DirkGently Jul 2016 #85
Perhaps, as I suspect is true with many, pangaia Jul 2016 #88
^^^ THIS ^^^ HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #109
That's kinda what happens. HassleCat Jul 2016 #126
I care what the party stands for. I hope and pray the platform resembles silvershadow Jul 2016 #129
Dude, it's all about what the party stands for. Lunabell Jul 2016 #2
Hey dude, sheshe2 Jul 2016 #3
I don't have to justify myself to you. n/t Lunabell Jul 2016 #4
Thanks. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #6
Yea, like I said. Lunabell Jul 2016 #8
Integrity is being consistant in things you care about, knowing what our goals are. baldguy Jul 2016 #15
Well said. Make that an OP. n/t FSogol Jul 2016 #36
If the document doesn't matter, carries no legal weight, no moral authority pangaia Jul 2016 #86
Second, Bernie IS being consistant in the things he cares about. pangaia Jul 2016 #89
Some of us always have. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #63
It doesn't matter what a party stands for if it's not in power CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #5
It doesn't matter who's in power if they don't stand for anything. DirkGently Jul 2016 #40
I understand - you would rather be idealogically pure and lose... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #45
"Ideological purity" is a red herring though. DirkGently Jul 2016 #49
The fact that you consider more moderate Democrats "conservatives" CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #50
More "conservative Democrats" are not "conservatives." DirkGently Jul 2016 #72
I didn't use the word "conservative" to describe Democrats like myself CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #73
Some Democrats are more conservative than others. DirkGently Jul 2016 #74
That is like saying that 2 is smaller than 4 so therefore 2 is a negative number CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #87
You don't think some Democrats are more conservative than others? DirkGently Jul 2016 #92
On a scale from extreme left to conservative . . . brush Jul 2016 #128
God, you have more patience than I do. Bless you. pangaia Jul 2016 #91
CajunBlazer—Sounds like you want to Republican into Democratic politics… CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #119
Thank you. 840high Jul 2016 #54
I have to disagree. It IS about winning. I am all about making changes. Not just talking about it. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #55
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #58
Winning what for whom? DirkGently Jul 2016 #71
Well, duh. It would depend on who & what. But the OP is about extreme ideologues.. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #78
What a party stands for is an ongoing discussion. DirkGently Jul 2016 #83
Progressives are still in the party and very much represented. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #94
And the discussion continues. Through elections. Through platforms. DirkGently Jul 2016 #98
At this point, I think the candidates have spoken plenty about issues AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #102
There is no active, visible far left in American politics. pangaia Jul 2016 #95
Be honest. You are talking about me because you are quoting me. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #100
Gets 'us' to the table and doing the same ole same ole is a waste of time for other human beings. pangaia Jul 2016 #93
See posts upthread about being in a vacuum. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #96
I already did. Non-sense. pangaia Jul 2016 #97
Calling it nonsense is not a discussion. I can say the same about your post and we can go back and f AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #101
CajunBlazer—The Ds are in power with the presidency right now. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #66
"Hard core progressives?" pangaia Jul 2016 #90
No one cares about the platform one week after the convention CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #7
CajunBlazer—Can Hillary win the general election with zero of Bernie Sanders’s primaries votes? CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #67
Too bad the vast majority of Sanders supporters comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #80
comradebillyboy—You actually cannot speak for Bernie Sanders’s primaries voters. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #99
I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself, however comradebillyboy Jul 2016 #106
I'm aware of that poll. However, we have not yet arrived at November 8, 2016. So… CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #107
The nominee should be permitted to design her own campaign. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #9
Hillary Clinton is the most important Democratic candidate this year Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #11
She's the only democratic presidential candidate. The sufrommich Jul 2016 #13
Yes, but Democratic Congressional candidates are also important. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #16
That is another reason to prepare a platform that describes very general objectives Tal Vez Jul 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #111
Slight correction. She's the only Dem candidate left standing. brush Jul 2016 #27
The party platform is non-binding on the candidate, so Hillary has NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #34
Well said!! Nt AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #82
IMO BainsBane Jul 2016 #10
This ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #12
I agree. This crap is getting too cute by sufrommich Jul 2016 #14
That would require that he build an organization with his colleagues in the Senate. baldguy Jul 2016 #17
Bernie Sanders is a co-founder of the Congressional Progressive Caucus Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #19
And you've proven my point. baldguy Jul 2016 #20
My point is that Bernie Sanders co-founded a US House caucus which now has dozens of House members Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #23
"...and its only Senator." baldguy Jul 2016 #24
Members of the House don't have to join, either, but dozens did. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #28
Members of the House don't have to deal with Sanders every day CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #46
and its only Senator" - one would think that he could have persuaded some of his EffieBlack Jul 2016 #51
+1, not something I'd be telling everyone if I was a SBS supporter uponit7771 Jul 2016 #59
Citing a proposal as being in Dem platform will help Sanders to build support for it in Congress. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #18
You're assuming that adopting a socialist platform would be best for the party CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #21
No it won't. woolldog Jul 2016 #31
Usually the Democratic Party platform is platitudes. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #69
NNNNNNNNNNNNoooooooo, not ONE person in congress can tell us more than 3 things about their party uponit7771 Jul 2016 #61
Can you imagine? BainsBane Jul 2016 #64
Don't we criticize Republican Senators when they abandon their jobs for campaigning? BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #22
The platform is a reason to carry on a lost battle La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #25
Absolutely spot on... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #41
I totally agree. The limelight is hard to give up sometimes AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #56
NO NO NO!! Unicorns not logic dammit !!! /sarcasm. I've been saying for months that the house... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #57
The more Bernie works on the party platform the easier it is to vote for HRC. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #26
You do understand party platform is brochure ware right? means very little legislatively uponit7771 Jul 2016 #60
uponit7771—If that is so…Democratic Party can make all of Bernie Sanders’s platform theirs. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #68
Meaningless, but yet so much resistance from behind. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #105
Win/lose bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #29
Anyone remember the planks in the most progressive Dem platform DonViejo Jul 2016 #30
How did that work for us? CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #32
How did that work out? woolldog Jul 2016 #33
McGovern won 17 electorial college votes CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #35
Not Maryland, it was Massachusetts.... DonViejo Jul 2016 #37
My Bad - the map was very small and it looked like Maryland to me. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #47
It didn't and, as you can see, no one as yet seems to remember... DonViejo Jul 2016 #38
Enlighten us CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #81
Democratic Party Platform of 1972 DonViejo Jul 2016 #103
I think that Sanders could sign on to that platform, but only if.... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #104
Will you guys ever get over the primaries? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #39
kick MariaThinks Jul 2016 #42
K&R mcar Jul 2016 #44
K+R! SaschaHM Jul 2016 #48
Both. Both are important. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #52
''your remaining supporter"? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #62
CajunBlazer—Take all of Bernie Sanders’s platform to become the Democratic Party’s. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #65
...er, you think we weren't TRYING to do that? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #70
I don't know, I think it's pretty important the "Democratic Party" has the right & best ideaa highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #76
You mean of course that... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #79
When will those who support Hillary stop making so many assumptions about what other people highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #108
If you had the power to do so, what would you do about corporations... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #110
In this challenging age of robotization and globalization, if economies are not enabled & motivated highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #112
I can't disagree with that CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #113
by winning the nomination. stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #77
here a quote for ya... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #114
So you think that if that if the peaceful revolution led by Sanders isn't successful... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #115
interesting leap... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #116
Interesting deflection CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #117
Let's use your words against ya HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #118
That's pure BS!!!! CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #120
...perception... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #121
You're were wrong and you know and I know it. CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #122
convention should be fun... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #123
Not if the Sanders delgates decide to act like @$$s CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #124
based upon your responses one would perceive you believe that they already are... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #125
I have virtually no idea how Sanders convention delegatges have been acting to date CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #131
your numerous replies already show your 'conclusions'... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #132
I cannot draw conclusion about a situation on which I have no information CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #133
yeah, sure... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #134
The nominee gets to control the direction of the party Gothmog Jul 2016 #127
Absolutely! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #130
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