2016 Postmortem

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24. There is a big time due process problem with prosecuting people

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:24 PM

Jul 2016

when they don't have the intent to commit a crime, or even know that they're doing something that might be illegal.

The fact that there have been exactly zero prosecutions using that statute based on the standard proposed by the pair of Hillary haters you cited should be a tip off.

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A "limited hangout". The best DC Kabuki since Fitzmas. [View all] arendt Jul 2016 OP

I believe you are overthinking this, really. MineralMan Jul 2016 #1

Thank you for validating my utter cynicism arendt Jul 2016 #5

she didn't break the law, that's why she wasn't prosecuted geek tragedy Jul 2016 #6

It turns out that Comey gave a performance that would make a ten year old ask questions arendt Jul 2016 #16

Comey was one of Ken Starr's attack dogs at the OIC geek tragedy Jul 2016 #20

That's one theory. There are others floating out there. arendt Jul 2016 #30

No speculation is needed when the facts fit the event. randome Jul 2016 #49

Rove deliberately outed Plame. Hillary accidentally outted Sid Blumenthal arendt Jul 2016 #60

If she had not be running for president radical noodle Jul 2016 #52

All of the sudden, you decide the VRWC would just drop her is she wasn't a candidate arendt Jul 2016 #61

I do think that radical noodle Jul 2016 #89

Cynicism? I don't see it that way. MineralMan Jul 2016 #7

You continue to fuel my cynicism arendt Jul 2016 #11

I'm not responsible for how you feel. MineralMan Jul 2016 #12

Political change starts from the bottom up, not the top down arendt Jul 2016 #15

And we are still not responsible for "your" feelings leftofcool Jul 2016 #87

The reason why this take is wrong is much simpler. stevenleser Jul 2016 #2

What complete humbug arendt Jul 2016 #8

Nope, not humbug, facts, and thats what the investigation showed. stevenleser Jul 2016 #17

No answer about "cut off the headers". Why not? n/t arendt Jul 2016 #21

Because its not true and no proof of that was found in the FBI investigation stevenleser Jul 2016 #26

Did the FBI address that specifically... arendt Jul 2016 #27

google it later! uhnope Jul 2016 #35

Here's is a report on the incident from CBS arendt Jul 2016 #28

you said you don't read RW websites and now you're linking to Hot Air uhnope Jul 2016 #36

that's not a documented security breach. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #38

Already said I never heard of hotair. As for USNWR... arendt Jul 2016 #41

you claimed it was a documented security breach, was is plainly geek tragedy Jul 2016 #43

One step at a time arendt Jul 2016 #45

sigh. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #48

No, I have the burden of "intent" arendt Jul 2016 #56

she intended that someone send her something by nonsecure means if secure means geek tragedy Jul 2016 #57

That's the problem. I am not allowed to know anything arendt Jul 2016 #59

you claimed there was a documented breach. I have demonstrated that was your imagination geek tragedy Jul 2016 #63

No. You demonstrated that no informatiion is available to commoners. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #65

which means your claim of a "documented" breach is per se false nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #66

It means that it is impossible for anyone without a high level security clearnace to play this game. arendt Jul 2016 #68

yes, protecting classified information is not something people without clearances do nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #70

Also something HRC did not do n./t arendt Jul 2016 #71

yawn. do you have anything that isn't hatred of Clinton and rightwing innuendo to contribute here, geek tragedy Jul 2016 #73

I get it. You can use the fact, but I can't. We are done here. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #75

Comey explained this yesterday. Go back and read it lapucelle Jul 2016 #55

I read page 12. Not one word about "non paper protocol" arendt Jul 2016 #58

Try this then. lapucelle Jul 2016 #62

Excuse me, but was HRC saying to redraft and paraphrase? I think not. arendt Jul 2016 #67

Turn into "non paper" lapucelle Jul 2016 #76

I have yet to see that what happened conforms to that definiton. arendt Jul 2016 #78

The evidence is there, and it's documented to the FBI's satisfaction in lapucelle Jul 2016 #86

See the State Department Foreign Affairs Handbook lapucelle Jul 2016 #83

Here's your answer. lapucelle Jul 2016 #54

Triple dup. See response #58. nt/ arendt Jul 2016 #74

Andrew McCarthy is an arch-wingnut who wrote a book on impeaching Obama geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3

OK. I didn't do a Google search on him... arendt Jul 2016 #9

Chuck Hobbs is flat-out lying when he describes himself as a Clinton backer. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19

Does that change the law? arendt Jul 2016 #22

There is a big time due process problem with prosecuting people geek tragedy Jul 2016 #24

Obama is prosecuting whistleblowers under a law from WW1 arendt Jul 2016 #25

irrelevant to the issue of mens rea/criminal intent. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29

Relevant to the issue of politically-mandated prosecution. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #31

non sequitur geek tragedy Jul 2016 #34

No. Both are about selective enforcement of the law. arendt Jul 2016 #39

You could not be more wrong if you tried. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #42

There has never been gross negligence of this magnitude before arendt Jul 2016 #47

"a new precedent" Just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself geek tragedy Jul 2016 #50

So you think because Bush got away with it, HRC should too? n/t arendt Jul 2016 #69

Then you should correct Wikipedia. arendt Jul 2016 #32

Lol, nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #33

you dare not bow down before the Wiki god! uhnope Jul 2016 #37

You are so sure of yourself. You should go correct this terrible falsehood. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #40

I suggest you try citing Wikipedia in your next legal filing, see how that goes nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #44

Not my point. arendt Jul 2016 #46

The indictment fairy is dead. Get over it. DanTex Jul 2016 #4

What a load of bullshit. The Indictment Fairy is Dead. JTFrog Jul 2016 #10

I know it is over. That's why I wrote this. Did you read my hopelessness or just want to bash me? arendt Jul 2016 #13

I'm saying you started with a big old strawman and are beating a dead horse. n/t JTFrog Jul 2016 #14

Comey's behavior is a brand new horse n/t arendt Jul 2016 #18

A horse that will be ridden from here to the election arendt Jul 2016 #23

Bottom Line: "FBI director says Clinton did not lie, break law in email handling" emulatorloo Jul 2016 #51

I'm confused. Comey is a slimeball who smeared HRC, but I should trust him. arendt Jul 2016 #64

Am I making such an argument? No. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #77

Pray tell, how does ignoring the half of Comey's Kabuki that is inconvenient for this argument... arendt Jul 2016 #79

Doesn't prevent me from doing anything. I don't agree w your premises. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #84

well, at least you will let us agree to disagree. arendt Jul 2016 #85

This conspiracy theory fell apart when the FBI investigated it. lapucelle Jul 2016 #53

Dup. See response #58. n/t arendt Jul 2016 #72

Sorry about the dup, but you still don't get to redefine terms lapucelle Jul 2016 #81

Already addressed this in #67 and #78 n/t arendt Jul 2016 #82

I'll take Sid Blumenthal for $50 arendt Jul 2016 #80

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