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ehrnst

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22. Socialist countries in Europe have universal coverage without single payer.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

We don't need to assume that it's single payer or bust. But anything we do has to be implemented slowly and with tweaks.

"Universal health care systems vary according to the degree of government involvement in providing care and/or health insurance. In some countries, such as the UK, Spain, Italy, Australia and the Nordic countries, the government has a high degree of involvement in the commissioning or delivery of health care services and access is based on residence rights, not on the purchase of insurance. Others have a much more pluralistic delivery system, based on obligatory health with contributory insurance rates related to salaries or income and usually funded by employers and beneficiaries jointly.

Sometimes, the health funds are derived from a mixture of insurance premiums, salary related mandatory contributions by employees and/or employers to regulated sickness funds, and by government taxes. These insurance based systems tend to reimburse private or public medical providers, often at heavily regulated rates, through mutual or publicly owned medical insurers. A few countries, such as the Netherlands and Switzerland, operate via privately owned but heavily regulated private insurers, which are not allowed to make a profit from the mandatory element of insurance but can profit by selling supplemental insurance.

Universal health care is a broad concept that has been implemented in several ways. The common denominator for all such programs is some form of government action aimed at extending access to health care as widely as possible and setting minimum standards. Most implement universal health care through legislation, regulation and taxation. Legislation and regulation direct what care must be provided, to whom, and on what basis. Usually, some costs are borne by the patient at the time of consumption, but the bulk of costs come from a combination of compulsory insurance and tax revenues. Some programs are paid for entirely out of tax revenues. In others, tax revenues are used either to fund insurance for the very poor or for those needing long-term chronic care."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Bull puckies. If you poll people about Medicare for All, most of them want it. merrily Jul 2016 #1
Did you read the part about the consequences of implementation? ehrnst Jul 2016 #4
How did implementation of Medicare go? People have plenty of experience with Medicare, merrily Jul 2016 #5
The implementation of Medicare wasn't for the whole population. ehrnst Jul 2016 #11
Regardless, the implementation went fine and it's in place now. That wheel does not have to be merrily Jul 2016 #12
Regardless? Hardly. ehrnst Jul 2016 #14
And this part? ehrnst Jul 2016 #17
Quoting from my Reply 12: merrily Jul 2016 #20
"If people want to do this, it will be done and done well." ehrnst Jul 2016 #23
Poster, please. What in hell does what most people want have to do with what gets through Congress? merrily Jul 2016 #25
The public option was the part of the ACA that resembled most Medicare for All. ehrnst Jul 2016 #26
One way creon Jul 2016 #2
The shorter path... Chan790 Jul 2016 #6
That method creon Jul 2016 #30
Incrementally, perhaps. And expand children's health care coverage. ehrnst Jul 2016 #9
That creon Jul 2016 #29
Is that what they're going with now...that it's "impossible"? NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #3
Did you read the article? ehrnst Jul 2016 #7
A two thousand page bill for Obamacare--no problemo. merrily Jul 2016 #8
Did you read the article? Medicare for All will take much more than 2000 pages ehrnst Jul 2016 #10
See Replies 5 and 12. Thanks. merrily Jul 2016 #13
See my responses to them. Thanks. ehrnst Jul 2016 #15
No. Arguing is pointless. We're not going to agree, even a little. merrily Jul 2016 #16
You don't agree with the majority of health policy analysts ehrnst Jul 2016 #19
Actually, I don't agree with the negative parts of your article to which you cling. merrily Jul 2016 #21
Which is the opinion of the majority of health care policy analysts ehrnst Jul 2016 #24
Doesn't matter. They should at least be happy that the Hortensis Jul 2016 #31
Yes. We need to be moving toward single-payer models... Orsino Jul 2016 #18
Socialist countries in Europe have universal coverage without single payer. ehrnst Jul 2016 #22
We have multiple single-payer systems here, too. Orsino Jul 2016 #27
If there is a public option and one for people over 55 that takes the heat off Healthcare, applegrove Jul 2016 #28
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