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Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
5. I get what you are saying, but I still have a hard time voting for Hillary
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 06:49 AM
Jul 2016

First off I will pull the lever for Hillary when I vote, but my vote will be one that is against Donald Trump and not one for Hillary (if that makes sense).

Her Iraq war vote and 10+ years to admit that it was a mistake before giving a half-assed apology for it makes it impossible to accept her. I had a frontrow seat to the war on Iraq. I served as an infantry platoon leader in Iraq from feb 2004 through March 2005. I have blood from that war all over my hands and my conscience. I personally lost 5 soldiers that served under my command and I personally stuffed one of then in a body bag and carried him away from the shit-filled irrigation ditch where he died.

In the years since my time in that war I have slowly been losing everything as a result of chronic severe PTSD. I'm riddled with near constant flashbacks. I suck at suicide so I have a number of suicide attempts over the years. I typically spend most of the summer months locked in a psych ward, I have lost two amazing career track jobs (one as a manager in a shipping facility at Amazon.com and another as a chemist for the department of treasury), and my wife and kids want less and less to do with me. I'm 36 years old (the same age as Chelsea Clinton) and I'm considered totally disabled and in the last phase of my life, retired and unable to work or function independently.

The war was never about giving freedom to the Iraqi people. It was about revenge for September 11th and killing as many Arabs as we could. It didn't matter if Iraq had nothing by to do with September 11th. I quickly realized that in the early part of 2004. For Hillary clinton and her ilk to claim that they didn't realize it was a mistake until nearly 10 years after the fact either is evidence of her incompetence or due to her cold and calculating to protect her personal political career - and even in the latter case she did the wrong thing. I never believed it was a justified war and I was able to see right through the thin veneer put on by the bush administration during the buildup in early 2003 .

So, my vote will be "Hillary Clinton" but it will not be a vote for her, it'll be a vote against Donald Trump. If it becomes obvious that she is as pained by her involvement in the war anywhere close to the pain I experience constantly for me involvement, then maybe my attitude will change towards her.

To me my anger is more than me not just getting to vote for the candidate I wanted. I have never been able to forgive anyone who has had any thing to do with supporting that wasteful and pointless war.

Wow! still_one Jul 2016 #1
Excellent post. I was like you in most every way. apcalc Jul 2016 #2
I think I'm that Bernie supporter you're talking about. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #3
That's all anyone can do coming from where you are... BooScout Jul 2016 #4
I get what you are saying, but I still have a hard time voting for Hillary Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #5
Peace, Victor. Tobin S. Jul 2016 #8
Do you hate every single person who voted for the Iraq war athena Jul 2016 #12
I...I can't believe I just had to read your post here... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #14
He didn't hold "those people" responsible, only Hillary leftofcool Jul 2016 #15
She's the only one running for President this time who voted for it... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #17
Yup. AllyCat Jul 2016 #75
However she is the only person running for president that voted for that war Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #24
Victor I'm so sorry you are getting this kind of response. I thank you for your service and it emulatorloo Jul 2016 #51
I support you too and understand your reasons for voting the way you say. AllyCat Jul 2016 #76
she had to know it was all bullshit Skittles Jul 2016 #81
Being a veteran athena Jul 2016 #31
It has nothing to do with what apparatus is between her legs Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #34
So, it's hatred to hold people accountable for their decisions... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #41
That post had nothing to do with Hillary being a woman NOTHING!! pangaia Jul 2016 #53
Calling Hillary Clinton "incompetent" is the very definition of misogyny. athena Jul 2016 #55
OK. Have it your way. pangaia Jul 2016 #57
Didn't realize incompetent was a sexist slur now... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #58
Agreed gaspee Jul 2016 #59
Thank you, gaspee. athena Jul 2016 #60
Sorry, but that just ain't so. Calling someone incompetent is NOT the definition of tblue37 Jul 2016 #78
OMG! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #67
Speaking of hatred and vitriol for a fellow human.... Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #84
And your rationale makes your vote a righteous vote. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #13
^^^This^^^ dflprincess Jul 2016 #68
I know it's hard.... BooScout Jul 2016 #19
So you would never accept an apology, which she did give? Loki Jul 2016 #21
Respectfully disagree helmedon1974 Jul 2016 #23
This is a great post. LisaM Jul 2016 #35
Welcome to DU, helmedon1974. calimary Jul 2016 #64
Excellent post. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #79
Bless you, Victor. And thank you for your service. Tatiana Jul 2016 #30
Thank you for your service . apcalc Jul 2016 #32
I am not even going to thank you for your service, pangaia Jul 2016 #54
Simple question? BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #56
I will say nearly nothing can justify a war Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #85
Hang in there Victor shadowmayor Jul 2016 #73
Thanks for that Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #82
I hear you BooScout. It is hard to dial down commitment to a cause. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #6
Don't dial it down! Vote for progressives in down-ticket races! AllyCat Jul 2016 #77
What a brilliant piece, Boo! I'm all Cha Jul 2016 #7
Aloha my friend! BooScout Jul 2016 #46
Did you watch tonight? sheshe2 Jul 2016 #65
I watched up until a few minutes before Bill's speech tonight... BooScout Jul 2016 #80
That is the beauty of the internet... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #86
Aloha, Boo! Cha Jul 2016 #69
I remember when Arkansas united behind Obama, at her request, and gave Obama all their delegates. StevieM Jul 2016 #48
Oh, thanks for that reminder, Steveie! Cha Jul 2016 #70
I was the same. Hillary or nobody. I cried, yelled at the unfairness, sulked, then voted for Obama. Laser102 Jul 2016 #9
That song.... BooScout Jul 2016 #28
I hope that everyone who is angry PatSeg Jul 2016 #10
Lots of positives at the DNC! bekkilyn Jul 2016 #11
Welcome to DU bekkilyn! calimary Jul 2016 #63
Awwww thanks! bekkilyn Jul 2016 #88
Couldn't be better stated, Boo! brer cat Jul 2016 #16
K&R treestar Jul 2016 #18
Thank you Boo Loki Jul 2016 #20
Great post. Skinner Jul 2016 #22
Beautifully written! Bravo Boo! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #25
Excellent post!!!! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #26
K & R LAS14 Jul 2016 #27
Such a thoughtful and honest post. Thanks, Boo. writes3000 Jul 2016 #29
Good stuff. Orsino Jul 2016 #33
this is a great post. barbtries Jul 2016 #36
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #37
I was for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and was disappointed when Obama The Second Stone Jul 2016 #38
great post!! one_voice Jul 2016 #39
I wish I could rec this 1,000 times NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #40
I dunno how ya did it.... BooScout Jul 2016 #42
I dunno how I did it either! NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #44
Me too! BooScout Jul 2016 #45
Well said and well done Sheepshank Jul 2016 #43
My confession zenabby Jul 2016 #47
I also took awhile to warm up to Obama. The compromise I reached about voting for him StevieM Jul 2016 #49
Thank you, BooScout! n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #50
Thank you for your post. sarae Jul 2016 #52
Very proud to give you the 100th rec, Boo! calimary Jul 2016 #61
I been mentally preparing myself for supporting The democratic nominee since the NY primary LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #62
Sarah Silverman sums the entire primary up for me... pokerfan Jul 2016 #66
Did the DNC secretly back Obama while publically denying it? That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #71
Holy crap you're awesome, BooScout! liberalnarb Jul 2016 #72
I'd like to add that we should remember that Hillary wasn't forgotten by Obama.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #74
Nose holders are parts of coalitions. David__77 Jul 2016 #83
What a great OP! Spazito Jul 2016 #87
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