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helmedon1974

(92 posts)
23. Respectfully disagree
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jul 2016

While I respect your opinion about Hillary, I feel the need to point out a few things that are never mentioned regarding the "vote for war" everyone talks about.
1 - I twas not a "vote for war", it was a Congressional Resolution to use military force against Iraq, and most of Congress voted for it. I fail to see how Hillary is constantly singled out and demonized for it.
2 - This Resolution didn't "authorize" Bush to "go to war" with Iraq, although that is how they used it. The vote for the Resolution authorized use of force but Section 3(b) of the War Powers Act (which is the guiding law for waging war) "requires" the use of sanctions and diplomacy "first". The next year we were at war, with Bush ignoring legal requirements and not allowing UN inspectors to complete their search for WMDs. Probably because he knew the had none. This is similar to the Iran situation, which Hillary was instrumental in realizing. We first used diplomacy and tough sanctions, then we reached a deal. This is what was intended with that vote.
3 - Most Americans, mainly Republicans but apparently also Liberals who believe FOX news propaganda, believe Hillary "voted for the war". This is simply UNTRUE. She voted for a Resolution that was also supposed to "restrain" the President's ability to wage war through several prerequisites. Her 2002 Senate floor speech says as much. In the first few sentences "Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program." She voiced her hesitations as well, "If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan." She literally told Bush it wasn't a good idea to attack, "So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option." This is what she voted for "I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq - Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible." Most importantly her final words, "So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.
4 - Her deep regret for the vote only makes it more certain that she will be even more careful in deciding such things in the future, especially as President. She is uniquely qualified to make these decisions and has learned from the past. She doesn't so much regret her vote though, as she regrets what Bush did with the power it gave him. There are several reasons Americans and allies alike want to see Bush and Cheney tried for war crimes, Hillary's vote isn't one of them. It's infinitely unfair of you to cast blame for your pain on this ONE woman, and a bit naive to think she doesn't share some of that pain for her role in it. It's quite disheartening to think that an American has such a blind, negative and unrealistic opinion of one of our strongest leaders. 25+ years of negative spin from the right has skewed all perspective on this woman. Just remember.....Hillary didn't send us to war, Bush did. Hillary wanted diplomatic solutions with war as a last resort. That's how it should be if we're going to take an active role in the world's welfare.

Wow! still_one Jul 2016 #1
Excellent post. I was like you in most every way. apcalc Jul 2016 #2
I think I'm that Bernie supporter you're talking about. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #3
That's all anyone can do coming from where you are... BooScout Jul 2016 #4
I get what you are saying, but I still have a hard time voting for Hillary Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #5
Peace, Victor. Tobin S. Jul 2016 #8
Do you hate every single person who voted for the Iraq war athena Jul 2016 #12
I...I can't believe I just had to read your post here... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #14
He didn't hold "those people" responsible, only Hillary leftofcool Jul 2016 #15
She's the only one running for President this time who voted for it... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #17
Yup. AllyCat Jul 2016 #75
However she is the only person running for president that voted for that war Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #24
Victor I'm so sorry you are getting this kind of response. I thank you for your service and it emulatorloo Jul 2016 #51
I support you too and understand your reasons for voting the way you say. AllyCat Jul 2016 #76
she had to know it was all bullshit Skittles Jul 2016 #81
Being a veteran athena Jul 2016 #31
It has nothing to do with what apparatus is between her legs Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #34
So, it's hatred to hold people accountable for their decisions... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #41
That post had nothing to do with Hillary being a woman NOTHING!! pangaia Jul 2016 #53
Calling Hillary Clinton "incompetent" is the very definition of misogyny. athena Jul 2016 #55
OK. Have it your way. pangaia Jul 2016 #57
Didn't realize incompetent was a sexist slur now... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #58
Agreed gaspee Jul 2016 #59
Thank you, gaspee. athena Jul 2016 #60
Sorry, but that just ain't so. Calling someone incompetent is NOT the definition of tblue37 Jul 2016 #78
OMG! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #67
Speaking of hatred and vitriol for a fellow human.... Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #84
And your rationale makes your vote a righteous vote. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #13
^^^This^^^ dflprincess Jul 2016 #68
I know it's hard.... BooScout Jul 2016 #19
So you would never accept an apology, which she did give? Loki Jul 2016 #21
Respectfully disagree helmedon1974 Jul 2016 #23
This is a great post. LisaM Jul 2016 #35
Welcome to DU, helmedon1974. calimary Jul 2016 #64
Excellent post. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #79
Bless you, Victor. And thank you for your service. Tatiana Jul 2016 #30
Thank you for your service . apcalc Jul 2016 #32
I am not even going to thank you for your service, pangaia Jul 2016 #54
Simple question? BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #56
I will say nearly nothing can justify a war Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #85
Hang in there Victor shadowmayor Jul 2016 #73
Thanks for that Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #82
I hear you BooScout. It is hard to dial down commitment to a cause. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #6
Don't dial it down! Vote for progressives in down-ticket races! AllyCat Jul 2016 #77
What a brilliant piece, Boo! I'm all Cha Jul 2016 #7
Aloha my friend! BooScout Jul 2016 #46
Did you watch tonight? sheshe2 Jul 2016 #65
I watched up until a few minutes before Bill's speech tonight... BooScout Jul 2016 #80
That is the beauty of the internet... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #86
Aloha, Boo! Cha Jul 2016 #69
I remember when Arkansas united behind Obama, at her request, and gave Obama all their delegates. StevieM Jul 2016 #48
Oh, thanks for that reminder, Steveie! Cha Jul 2016 #70
I was the same. Hillary or nobody. I cried, yelled at the unfairness, sulked, then voted for Obama. Laser102 Jul 2016 #9
That song.... BooScout Jul 2016 #28
I hope that everyone who is angry PatSeg Jul 2016 #10
Lots of positives at the DNC! bekkilyn Jul 2016 #11
Welcome to DU bekkilyn! calimary Jul 2016 #63
Awwww thanks! bekkilyn Jul 2016 #88
Couldn't be better stated, Boo! brer cat Jul 2016 #16
K&R treestar Jul 2016 #18
Thank you Boo Loki Jul 2016 #20
Great post. Skinner Jul 2016 #22
Beautifully written! Bravo Boo! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #25
Excellent post!!!! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #26
K & R LAS14 Jul 2016 #27
Such a thoughtful and honest post. Thanks, Boo. writes3000 Jul 2016 #29
Good stuff. Orsino Jul 2016 #33
this is a great post. barbtries Jul 2016 #36
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #37
I was for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and was disappointed when Obama The Second Stone Jul 2016 #38
great post!! one_voice Jul 2016 #39
I wish I could rec this 1,000 times NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #40
I dunno how ya did it.... BooScout Jul 2016 #42
I dunno how I did it either! NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #44
Me too! BooScout Jul 2016 #45
Well said and well done Sheepshank Jul 2016 #43
My confession zenabby Jul 2016 #47
I also took awhile to warm up to Obama. The compromise I reached about voting for him StevieM Jul 2016 #49
Thank you, BooScout! n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #50
Thank you for your post. sarae Jul 2016 #52
Very proud to give you the 100th rec, Boo! calimary Jul 2016 #61
I been mentally preparing myself for supporting The democratic nominee since the NY primary LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #62
Sarah Silverman sums the entire primary up for me... pokerfan Jul 2016 #66
Did the DNC secretly back Obama while publically denying it? That Guy 888 Jul 2016 #71
Holy crap you're awesome, BooScout! liberalnarb Jul 2016 #72
I'd like to add that we should remember that Hillary wasn't forgotten by Obama.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #74
Nose holders are parts of coalitions. David__77 Jul 2016 #83
What a great OP! Spazito Jul 2016 #87
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