2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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111. Um, Lewis and MLK and other 60's civil rights activists were not always well behaved.

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:25 PM

Jul 2016

People revere them today because of what they accomplished. But back in the day, they engaged in civil disobedience to accomplish those goals. And they were subjected to a lot of tongue-clucking about their behavior from "moderates" who believed they should behave themselves better.

If they were always polite and "well behaved" and shit, the issues they advocated for might still be in the same limbo as many otehr issues today.

Just because you agree with the goal of one group of protestors and disagree with another should not allow for a double standard.

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Are protesters REALLY trying to shout down John Lewis during his MSNBC interview? [View all] EffieBlack Jul 2016 OP

Tamron Hall just laid waste to them EffieBlack Jul 2016 #1

Yes she did. A great job by her. George II Jul 2016 #119

Idiots JoePhilly Jul 2016 #2

the entire country is pretty much sick of the infantile Buster crowd. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3

I would sure would not broad brush Bernie Supporters with that. I would venture that the vast still_one Jul 2016 #10

I am not talking about Sanders supporters, I'm talking about the Busters, who are a kook fringe geek tragedy Jul 2016 #17

I thought you were. Thanks. As has been pointed out below to me, you specified that. still_one Jul 2016 #31

To clarify...G_T said "Busters" , the ones screaming at John Lewis , not the vast majority of Bernie pkdu Jul 2016 #20

yes, I'm leaving Bernie's name out of the discussion because he has nothing to do geek tragedy Jul 2016 #43

my bad geek. Sorry about that, and appreciate the clarification still_one Jul 2016 #46

Skinner gave us some very good guidelines the other day emulatorloo Jul 2016 #83

Thanks still_one Jul 2016 #108

geek tragedy was very specific in who was named Blue_Adept Jul 2016 #23

Thanks, I am not always familiar with the terminology being used. Appreciate the education still_one Jul 2016 #37

Agreed. I can readily distinguish Busters from Bernie Supporters SticksnStones Jul 2016 #25

Thanks still_one Jul 2016 #47

I wish the media would try to make that distinction. lapucelle Jul 2016 #57

Well I guess that's the business they're in... SticksnStones Jul 2016 #96

There's a young female anchor on CNN, lapucelle Jul 2016 #113

LOL. It is curious... SticksnStones Jul 2016 #132

We keep hearing 90%. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #45

Can you find that response on the linked poll detail? whatthehey Jul 2016 #102

Yes. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #103

Page reference? Not seeing it... whatthehey Jul 2016 #121

Hah. Like that response! George II Jul 2016 #122

When was this interview? still_one Jul 2016 #4

Just now. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #7

Just now. One or two screamers outside behind the stage set-up. nolabear Jul 2016 #8

Thanks. Kind of what I suspected, one or two screamers. I am convinced that if they are truly still_one Jul 2016 #16

Small but mighty EffieBlack Jul 2016 #22

Like mosquitoes. nolabear Jul 2016 #29

I hope they don't have Zika.............. I know, bad joke still_one Jul 2016 #34

Well, apparently they do suffer from the limited brain development that tblue37 Jul 2016 #158

.............. still_one Jul 2016 #161

with MSNBC microphones on their lapels? GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #147

ASSHOLES leftynyc Jul 2016 #5

He's addressing it now. I'm just shocked at the ignorance and immaturity of shouting him down. nolabear Jul 2016 #6

John Lewis has faced a better class of bastard than these idiots. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #52

John Lewis and his peers were not well behaved in the 60's Armstead Jul 2016 #110

You mean because they used their heads to beat other people in the fist, say on the jtuck004 Jul 2016 #114

They protested in meaningful ways. Screaming "No TPP" at Elijah Cummings nolabear Jul 2016 #145

+1 one_voice Jul 2016 #153

If we're lucky, they'll destroy their "movement". NurseJackie Jul 2016 #9

Talk about infantile HERVEPA Jul 2016 #15

Cope. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #19

lol Cha Jul 2016 #50

I also. (As best as I can manage.) NurseJackie Jul 2016 #71

What the world needs now is love sweet love~ Cha Jul 2016 #80

One thing for certain is they are hurting the movement, and are not a reflection of the majority of still_one Jul 2016 #26

Maybe more rational minds will prevail. Considering the damage being done ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #36

Yes, the stakes have never been higher still_one Jul 2016 #44

With every passing day, the most fanatical of Bernie's supporters keep marginalizing themselves more scheming daemons Jul 2016 #11

The nutjobs are behaving more like they actually hate him than care about seeing any of his Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #149

Tamron Hall: "There are people in our audience yelling things" EffieBlack Jul 2016 #12

Wow! That is an outstanding response. n/t Tatiana Jul 2016 #18

Yes they did.nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #27

This is what maturity looks like. They can talk to me when they've fought that fight. nolabear Jul 2016 #30

Love him. Optimism > cynicism JaneyVee Jul 2016 #33

+1000 Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #42

Mahalo for that, Effie.. no tv here. Cha Jul 2016 #55

A great man. auntpurl Jul 2016 #59

What else can be said about the incredible Rep. Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #66

They really did! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #75

For those not by a television, what was said? Tatiana Jul 2016 #13

Entitled children RandySF Jul 2016 #14

But they have suffered so much! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #24

Where is my whipped soy? RandySF Jul 2016 #28

No! Not that! (shudder) workinclasszero Jul 2016 #39

I had to explain to a friend that people who have the means and connections to travel to Philly EffieBlack Jul 2016 #35

Bingo!!!!! tonyt53 Jul 2016 #51

Yeah wish I had the cash $$$ workinclasszero Jul 2016 #60

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #79

Please don't generation bash. Turin_C3PO Jul 2016 #49

Nice generation bashing there, bro, no WONDER millenials want nothing to do with you. cyberpunk Jul 2016 #92

Yep. I don't think I would have been able to control myself sufrommich Jul 2016 #21

Oh it's good I'm not there to see them screaming at John Lewis. auntpurl Jul 2016 #61

It's the "Freedom of speech for me, but not for you" crowd. MineralMan Jul 2016 #32

As a black male, I tremendously respect John Lewis. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #38

Jesus,John Lewis dared to have a different opinion than sufrommich Jul 2016 #41

What does John Lewis know about oppression? EffieBlack Jul 2016 #68

When these assholes in the convention hall workinclasszero Jul 2016 #85

John Lewis has earned the right to express his opinion. And he has earned the right not to be rudely EffieBlack Jul 2016 #67

You "earn" a civil right by virtue of being American. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #99

You'll of course provide us with specific and objective examples of this alleged LanternWaste Jul 2016 #88

Excellent response. Tatiana Jul 2016 #95

This is the same shit we saw in primary wars, time to let it go. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #139

You mistake my point. I'm not badmouthing him at all. Tatiana Jul 2016 #143

Please note I said 'seemingly'. Thanks for the clarification! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #155

Thank you. It broke my heart when John Lewis disavowed Bernie's work for civil rights. redwitch Jul 2016 #115

I suspect it is at the root of it, yes. GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 #156

They need to leave. gademocrat7 Jul 2016 #40

They have officially rendered themselves Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #48

There was a small group standing at the barrier, just beyond his right shoulder. procon Jul 2016 #53

Wow, what a response from John Lewis! Iliyah Jul 2016 #54

Even describing it as grieving is a bit OTT treestar Jul 2016 #56

Lewis isn't above criticism. Vattel Jul 2016 #58

"idol worship" Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #63

Ironic,isn't it? nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #65

"How dare John Lewis not worship our idol. And anyone who defends him is idol worshipping." EffieBlack Jul 2016 #76

Exactly.nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #77

Seriously. At this point the Busters are becoming a CULT in which the guru himself is irrelevant. anneboleyn Jul 2016 #120

How does "she stole it" and "bullshit" count as criticisms? sufrommich Jul 2016 #64

Fuck everyone who worships an idol. Vattel Jul 2016 #167

Of course people have the right to criticize him EffieBlack Jul 2016 #70

^^This^^ Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #90

It's a protest. Politeness is not the norm in such contexts. Vattel Jul 2016 #166

Oh good God! GMAFB! They weren't criticizing Lewis. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #74

he is above being heckled by snot-nosed overprivileged white punks though nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #78

What specifically leads you to construe criticism of those shouting him down as "idol worship?" LanternWaste Jul 2016 #89

booing a civil rights icon is not a form of constructive criticism La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #109

oh come on. they weren't critcisizing him. they were protesting because they are losers DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #146

Per the contributions in this thread, I'm glad to finally have a term for the Busters... Hekate Jul 2016 #62

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #69

Saved for posterity,a BoBs true colors...... sufrommich Jul 2016 #72

Could not believe that poster stated that. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #81

Sounds like a Trumpkin posing as a precious snowflake Buster geek tragedy Jul 2016 #82

You mean there's a difference? nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #84

I think there are some who probably never intended to vote for Bernie BainsBane Jul 2016 #86

^^^THIS^^^ n/t Tatiana Jul 2016 #100

Yes! Seriously it always seemed that was the case. Idiots who kept saying they'd vote Trump anneboleyn Jul 2016 #125

Trumpkins are classic white racists who've internalized the Atwater hymnal geek tragedy Jul 2016 #87

What an Ignorant buster.. didn't know one damn thing. Cha Jul 2016 #91

Google must be broken. Gormy Cuss Jul 2016 #94

Ban that republican SOB like yesterday! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #97

What a stunning display of ignorance. Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #98

Has never heard of John Lewis, but authoritatively states JL is "cowardly and corrupt" emulatorloo Jul 2016 #101

OMG! BooScout Jul 2016 #163

hmmmm .... they seem to be bizarrely proud of their ignorance etherealtruth Jul 2016 #168

Alerted EffieBlack Jul 2016 #73

You know DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #93

Self centered asses. All of them. Gman Jul 2016 #104

what they are doing has nothing to do with being Progressive! Cryptoad Jul 2016 #106

This kinda shit is why the Progressive movement keeps going back ward with the Public! Cryptoad Jul 2016 #105

Yes, these are suppose to be our educated kids, But kids are not taught history anymore, or rladdi Jul 2016 #107

Um, Lewis and MLK and other 60's civil rights activists were not always well behaved. Armstead Jul 2016 #111

That's bullshit. They fully understood that the prize was a long, sufrommich Jul 2016 #118

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Please please don't compare them to John Lewis ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #157

Aren't you comparing Apples and Oranges? There isn't a double standard... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #127

I'm not one of them but I don't like to see them demonized Armstead Jul 2016 #134

+1000 Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #151

Those of us who actually came of age during the sixties... OilemFirchen Jul 2016 #152

I came of age in the 60's and remember it as well Armstead Jul 2016 #164

I wish they were constructively protesting; but are they really? DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #159

I'm afraid that disrespect begets disrespect... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #165

There is no justification for disrespect toward John Lewis. TNNurse Jul 2016 #112

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So you think it's ok to yell at him during the Democratic convention? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #129

God,get a grip. Failure to gush over Sanders sufrommich Jul 2016 #130

You're being deliberately obtuse. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #135

Sure, "I never saw him" is an unforgivable insult. Unforgivable sufrommich Jul 2016 #140

+Infinity ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #142

There is nothing "thin skinned" about what I just posted. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #144

God, you don't even realize how fucking paternalistic and insulting you sound. sufrommich Jul 2016 #148

Where am I being paternalistic? Where am I being insulting? Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #150

THE TRUTH won out ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #154

Ren Man DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #162

So what? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #141

They are just closet Trump supporters that want to hang out with liberals because they are more fun world wide wally Jul 2016 #116

Yes, I saw it. It was mainly one person in the audience. 4lbs Jul 2016 #117

not all protestors are dems... getagrip_already Jul 2016 #123

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #124

Who the hell are you talking about? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #128

He's talking about John Lewis's failure to be reverential enough in sufrommich Jul 2016 #131

Oh my fucking God ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #133

Here's a link to it online: sarae Jul 2016 #136

They been shouting down every interview. B Calm Jul 2016 #137

No MFM008 Jul 2016 #160