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rjsquirrel

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36. I wasn't trying to
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jul 2016

You responded to me.

If Trump backs out of the debates -- the scenario to which I was addressing my comments -- the rules are out the window. Hillary could project strength and hurt Trump (and the GOP longer term) by treating Johnson as a serious candidate and in fact legitimating him.

It's a calculus, not a feeling. Johnson is polling close to 10% in some red states where a number like that could give Clinton the state. Utah is only the most obvious example. So it will depend on how polls look in the broader picture and whether and by how much she is ahead in key swing states.

What many people appalled by this idea don't often realize is that if Johnson gets close to 10% Clinton could win a plurality (and all the electoral votes) in a number of deep red states. It's almost the only path to an EV landslide. Johnson voters are labor mostly to Trump. It's simple to infer that from recent polling -- they are people who will never vote for Hillary.

What people also don't realize is that Johnson is a civil and rational person who despises Trump and has flat out called him a racist and a demagogue.

I'm thinking outside the box, I know. But this is not a conventional election.

If he thinks he can get out of it and "win", he will. TreasonousBastard Jul 2016 #1
I totally see that too. FarPoint Jul 2016 #4
He might do the first one and then refuse the rest. sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #2
That's my bet Kber Jul 2016 #10
It will only take one. Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #14
1st & skip rest is most likely. Refuse them all is unlikely. He thinks of the primary debates. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #24
His followers... nruthie Jul 2016 #27
The desired effect of the debates is not on his core followers. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #28
Agreed sailfla Jul 2016 #29
It isn't the loyal followers PatSeg Jul 2016 #39
If that is the case madaboutharry Jul 2016 #3
We should prepare.... FarPoint Jul 2016 #11
She ought to agree to debate Gary Johnson rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #20
No. LisaL Jul 2016 #33
I argued specific strategic reasons for the contrary case rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #34
You didn't change my mind either. LisaL Jul 2016 #35
I wasn't trying to rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #36
Again, why Johnson and not the rest of them? LisaL Jul 2016 #38
Because Johnson is close to 10% in many states rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #42
No Way: He's a fucking genius in his own mind Chasstev365 Jul 2016 #5
It's possible, and would fit his personality... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #6
I can envision him pulling a Col. Nathan Jessup imitation (Jack Nicholson in 'A Few Good Men') Siwsan Jul 2016 #7
Hahahaha.. FarPoint Jul 2016 #12
Excellent analogy! PatSeg Jul 2016 #40
He will try, but he must debate. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #8
He will set it up so that after Hillary kicks his ass randr Jul 2016 #9
trump will call himself a masterdebater or something like that unblock Jul 2016 #13
I believe he is scared shitless already. FarPoint Jul 2016 #15
i don't think so. he *should* be scared shitless, but his ego won't let him. unblock Jul 2016 #18
Doesn't matter what he deems. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #37
He's too much of a narcissist ... Onlooker Jul 2016 #16
If he backs out anamnua Jul 2016 #17
I predict he will demand to be paid for his appearance. femmocrat Jul 2016 #19
I've been saying that since he became the presumed nominee CanonRay Jul 2016 #21
I would have thought he'd want to Cha Jul 2016 #22
Oh that is perfect! PatSeg Jul 2016 #41
Trump is counting on Assange and the other hackers to win this for him. He is counting on the glennward Jul 2016 #23
How well do you think he is protected from hackers? NCTraveler Jul 2016 #26
Yes, I know what I am about to say is crass. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #25
The debate schedule is against him. The Convention organizers are against him. randome Jul 2016 #30
He's going to try and get out of them DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #31
I am guessing he may know it in his heart, but blames everything else in his head. renie408 Jul 2016 #43
I'm Kicking this thread from yesterday... FarPoint Jul 2016 #32
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