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Agschmid

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60. Neither one of the third party candidates can really be compared to the others you listed.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:11 PM
Aug 2016

Different times, different national moods, all kinds of things.

Anyone can run, no one is "bad", but they are somewhat irrelevant.

What do you mean by bad? brooklynite Aug 2016 #1
I keep seeking these threads that are saying "Stein is bad" or "Johnson is bad." Third parties are a Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #8
Well, read the responses and then maybe you'll get it. n/t seaglass Aug 2016 #11
Yeah some actually vote for and support them...no idea why. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #53
Jill Stein was on C-SPAN and basically basically parrotted the Democratic Platform. politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #98
This is Democratic Underground. You're not going to get a lot of support for 3rd party candidates Fla Dem Aug 2016 #104
I would say that anything that furthers the candidacy of a candidate like Trump is bad. Tal Vez Aug 2016 #2
Or W or anybody worse than the going candidate, which means, people will always have a reason JCanete Aug 2016 #44
Anyone pushing a 3rd party candidate in THIS ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #3
^^^this^^^ Freddie Aug 2016 #5
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #69
Context is important. I'm sure they're not bad people.... Avalux Aug 2016 #4
And consider the bad outcomes Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #56
No. They're just irrelevant, except as possible spoilers. MineralMan Aug 2016 #6
Anderson '80, Perot '92, Nader '00, Johnson and Stein '16 did not (and will not) TAKE anyone's votes Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #14
I disagree with that argument. MineralMan Aug 2016 #21
What evidence do you want? Are you asking for evidence that third parties do not steal votes from Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #30
Me? I don't want anything. MineralMan Aug 2016 #31
+1 NNadir Aug 2016 #81
Semantic games rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #85
It's a more useful protest than staying at home. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #42
Protest votes are for those who are privelged and can afford to deal with bad consequences Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #58
A lot of people from marginalized groups vote third party too. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #88
Ralph Nader good/bad Protalker Aug 2016 #7
I don't know about "bad", but they're still opponents. Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #9
They can't win, but they sure as hell can doom us all to a psycho POTUS who can't wait to use nukes onecaliberal Aug 2016 #10
Of course they're bad. JaneyVee Aug 2016 #12
Yes. Voting 3rd party is equivalent to sending "thoughts and prayers" PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #13
No not bad. What is bad are protest voters who vote against their own party. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #15
Whoever gets a plurality of votes wins & it's a winner take all system. baldguy Aug 2016 #16
Not true PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #18
What are you talking about? This isn't about having the Presidency decided by Congress. baldguy Aug 2016 #55
It could happen if the third parties got enough votes Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #59
I was responding to a specific word you used: "plurality" PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #67
It sounds to me like you're DEFENDING Stein and Johnson in the most subtle ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #17
Let's be clear: Neither Stein nor Johnson are qualified to be president and neither has a snowball's Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #22
You skate on thin ice and walk a razor's edge when you flatter these spoilers by making … NurseJackie Aug 2016 #32
Defending the concept of democracy isn't flattering spoilers. Neither Johnson nor Stein is qualified Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #39
Yet you choose to flatter the spoilers in your attempts to "defend the concept of democracy". NurseJackie Aug 2016 #74
If you think "UNQUALIFIED" and "ZERO CHANCE OF WINNING" is flattery, I hesitate to guess what you Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #78
Grouping them with Abe and Teddy ... but you knew that. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #99
There are times that I wish for coalition representation Ruby the Liberal Aug 2016 #19
It would be much better that way. I wouldn't be a Democrat probably though. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #45
Jerks and buffoons are always bad. randome Aug 2016 #20
A viable third-party candidate would be scary. Johnson-Weld and Stein-Baraka are no more than an Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #26
I don't believe Stein who somehow has the money to run ads in swing states Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #61
The Republicans were the main opposition to the Democrats in 1860 and 1856. Zynx Aug 2016 #23
Under our system, they distort the will of the people. dawg Aug 2016 #24
How does voting for the candidate of one's choice distort the will of the people? Neither Stein nor Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #28
Presumably Stein voters want the country to move leftward. But Stein won't win ... dawg Aug 2016 #29
What if you want smaller government, less taxes, legal weed, and repeal of the Patriot Act? Neither Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #35
They only have two realistic choices ... Trump or Clinton. dawg Aug 2016 #36
In Texas, you could argue that you "only have two realistic choices ... Republican or Tea Party" so Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #46
I sometimes vote in the Republican primary here in Georgia. :) dawg Aug 2016 #75
That makes zero sense. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #77
Really appreciate your post. A dose of reality about Texas Dems, Texas Dem Candidates and emulatorloo Aug 2016 #103
Yes I think they are bad candidates. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #25
fuck Ron Paul. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #27
You're an intelligent person and your post is in bad faith WillyBrandt Aug 2016 #33
Let's agree on ten points: 1. Trump, Stein and Johnson are all unqualified to be president; Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #65
I doubt you'd be posting this if someone else was our nominee. grossproffit Aug 2016 #34
If Sanders was our nominee, I'd be even more concerned that mocking and disparaging third party Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #54
No, true 3rd parties are not bad. Yavin4 Aug 2016 #37
They do show up off year. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #63
Short answer: Yes, because the US-election-system sucks. DetlefK Aug 2016 #38
Not true in the Presidentail election with the Electoral College PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #40
And what about House- and Senate-elections? DetlefK Aug 2016 #101
They are our opponents in a zero-sum game nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #41
Agreed. Greens and Libertarians are tiny minorities in a zero sum game. But in many races there are Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #47
The fact that they don't bother with local races geek tragedy Aug 2016 #49
Stein is a opportunistic wack job ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #43
"amen" to that! etherealtruth Aug 2016 #50
Is the phrase "helping Trump by splitting the anti-Trump vote" in any way hard to understand? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #48
Johnson & Stein aren't splitting the anti-Trump vote any more than splitting the anti-Clinton vote Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #70
Any person who is intentionally aiding tRump KMOD Aug 2016 #51
Some third-party candidates are hateful spoilers bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #52
You don't know a lot about history if you think Stein = Teddy Roosevelt emulatorloo Aug 2016 #57
And Teddy Roosevelt elected Woodrow Wilson a Democrat. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #62
Neither one of the third party candidates can really be compared to the others you listed. Agschmid Aug 2016 #60
I think it is all situational and subjective liberal N proud Aug 2016 #64
What kind of democracy is it that offers only two choices? It is the system that is bad. Imagine Doodley Aug 2016 #66
You're going to have to move to another country for that Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #82
I want Trump Doodley Aug 2016 #84
I want Trump Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #87
They're a threat to our candidate winning in November. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #68
In a change versus status quo election, they divide the change vote. Pretty sure that helps us. Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #71
Bullshit. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #73
OK - use your term. In a sane versus insane election, I'm pretty sure they divide the insane vote. Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #76
I have no problem if crazy people vote for ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #79
Status-Quo = white male racist predatory capitalist emulatorloo Aug 2016 #83
Stein-Baraka are EVIL. Johnson-Weld are EVIL, They are also being pushed by Russia. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #72
Smaller party candidates... NCTraveler Aug 2016 #80
Considering the Green Party isn't in it to win the election, they're in it to be professional bananakabob Aug 2016 #86
By the same logic, the Democratic Party is just a spoiler party in deep red states like Texas. Also, Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #90
He's trying to dupe the Berniecrats. bananakabob Aug 2016 #93
I noticed you conveniently forgot to list 2000 Ralph Nader...why? As it's the perfect beachbumbob Aug 2016 #89
Perhaps because that example ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #91
And the only one even remotely comparable. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #94
+1 JoePhilly Aug 2016 #95
no matter how many ways you guys try to defend this, Jill Stein is an irresponsible asshole. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #92
Some folks are ultra-partisan and hate anything outside of the two parties. Rex Aug 2016 #96
In a democracy, the people are supposed to have choices. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2016 #97
No. The more choices, the better. I hate the current duopoly. Throd Aug 2016 #100
The American propensity to turn into blithering idiots whenever the subject of race comes up Bucky Aug 2016 #102
Stein-Baraka & Johnson-Weld are idiots. I am sure you agree. LexVegas Aug 2016 #105
I imagine there is a relevant difference between a moral absolute and a political opponent LanternWaste Aug 2016 #106
Depends entirely on the candidate and the election. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2016 #107
The 2 party "system" is the number one thing wrong with American politics. . CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #108
Not all of them. But Jill Stein and Ralph Nader are definitely bad. DanTex Aug 2016 #109
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