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In reply to the discussion: In a democracy, are minority party candidates "bad"? Is Stein-Baraka "bad"? Is Johnson-Weld "bad"? [View all]CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)108. The 2 party "system" is the number one thing wrong with American politics. .
Two extremes, no nuances, and both parties know it is a game and a scam and they are screwing us into the ground and laughing about it.
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In a democracy, are minority party candidates "bad"? Is Stein-Baraka "bad"? Is Johnson-Weld "bad"? [View all]
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
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I keep seeking these threads that are saying "Stein is bad" or "Johnson is bad." Third parties are a
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#8
Jill Stein was on C-SPAN and basically basically parrotted the Democratic Platform.
politicaljunkie41910
Aug 2016
#98
This is Democratic Underground. You're not going to get a lot of support for 3rd party candidates
Fla Dem
Aug 2016
#104
I would say that anything that furthers the candidacy of a candidate like Trump is bad.
Tal Vez
Aug 2016
#2
Or W or anybody worse than the going candidate, which means, people will always have a reason
JCanete
Aug 2016
#44
Anderson '80, Perot '92, Nader '00, Johnson and Stein '16 did not (and will not) TAKE anyone's votes
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#14
What evidence do you want? Are you asking for evidence that third parties do not steal votes from
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#30
Protest votes are for those who are privelged and can afford to deal with bad consequences
Demsrule86
Aug 2016
#58
They can't win, but they sure as hell can doom us all to a psycho POTUS who can't wait to use nukes
onecaliberal
Aug 2016
#10
No not bad. What is bad are protest voters who vote against their own party.
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2016
#15
What are you talking about? This isn't about having the Presidency decided by Congress.
baldguy
Aug 2016
#55
It sounds to me like you're DEFENDING Stein and Johnson in the most subtle ...
NurseJackie
Aug 2016
#17
Let's be clear: Neither Stein nor Johnson are qualified to be president and neither has a snowball's
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#22
You skate on thin ice and walk a razor's edge when you flatter these spoilers by making …
NurseJackie
Aug 2016
#32
Defending the concept of democracy isn't flattering spoilers. Neither Johnson nor Stein is qualified
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#39
Yet you choose to flatter the spoilers in your attempts to "defend the concept of democracy".
NurseJackie
Aug 2016
#74
If you think "UNQUALIFIED" and "ZERO CHANCE OF WINNING" is flattery, I hesitate to guess what you
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#78
It would be much better that way. I wouldn't be a Democrat probably though.
DemocraticWing
Aug 2016
#45
A viable third-party candidate would be scary. Johnson-Weld and Stein-Baraka are no more than an
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#26
How does voting for the candidate of one's choice distort the will of the people? Neither Stein nor
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#28
Presumably Stein voters want the country to move leftward. But Stein won't win ...
dawg
Aug 2016
#29
What if you want smaller government, less taxes, legal weed, and repeal of the Patriot Act? Neither
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#35
In Texas, you could argue that you "only have two realistic choices ... Republican or Tea Party" so
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#46
Really appreciate your post. A dose of reality about Texas Dems, Texas Dem Candidates and
emulatorloo
Aug 2016
#103
Let's agree on ten points: 1. Trump, Stein and Johnson are all unqualified to be president;
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#65
If Sanders was our nominee, I'd be even more concerned that mocking and disparaging third party
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#54
Agreed. Greens and Libertarians are tiny minorities in a zero sum game. But in many races there are
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#47
Is the phrase "helping Trump by splitting the anti-Trump vote" in any way hard to understand? (nt)
Nye Bevan
Aug 2016
#48
Johnson & Stein aren't splitting the anti-Trump vote any more than splitting the anti-Clinton vote
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#70
Neither one of the third party candidates can really be compared to the others you listed.
Agschmid
Aug 2016
#60
What kind of democracy is it that offers only two choices? It is the system that is bad. Imagine
Doodley
Aug 2016
#66
In a change versus status quo election, they divide the change vote. Pretty sure that helps us.
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#71
OK - use your term. In a sane versus insane election, I'm pretty sure they divide the insane vote.
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#76
Stein-Baraka are EVIL. Johnson-Weld are EVIL, They are also being pushed by Russia.
MohRokTah
Aug 2016
#72
Considering the Green Party isn't in it to win the election, they're in it to be professional
bananakabob
Aug 2016
#86
By the same logic, the Democratic Party is just a spoiler party in deep red states like Texas. Also,
Attorney in Texas
Aug 2016
#90
I noticed you conveniently forgot to list 2000 Ralph Nader...why? As it's the perfect
beachbumbob
Aug 2016
#89
no matter how many ways you guys try to defend this, Jill Stein is an irresponsible asshole. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Aug 2016
#92
The American propensity to turn into blithering idiots whenever the subject of race comes up
Bucky
Aug 2016
#102
I imagine there is a relevant difference between a moral absolute and a political opponent
LanternWaste
Aug 2016
#106
The 2 party "system" is the number one thing wrong with American politics. .
CBGLuthier
Aug 2016
#108