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PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
32. The real issue is that
Tue Aug 30, 2016, 12:44 AM
Aug 2016

the so-called third parties, the Greens, the Libertarians, and I don't know who else, almost never have candidates for the down ticket races. If they were actually serious about becoming major political parties, they'd run for city council seats and state representatives and county commission seats. Instead, they run for President. Big whoop. If any of them were by some totally bizarre fluke, to win the Presidency, they'd have no place to govern from. They'd have no members of Congress in their party. They'd have no think tanks, no governors, no state legislatures with even a single member of their party.

That's not how it works.

Most people haven't a clue about party politics, which is why over the years we've had the total bullshit about some major politician switching parties and being the VP for the other party. I think the last time it happened was the fantasy that John McCain would be the VP nominee in 2000. Or maybe 2004. The exact year isn't the point. The point is that all those who thought that were totally delusional and had no clue about how party politics works. You don't become a U.S. Senator by being an actual maverick -- one of the most stupid things attached to McCain, by the way. He was always a good Republican. The notion he was a "maverick", an independent in any sense of the word was complete fantasy.

And so it goes. If the Greens or the Libertarians were really serious, they'd start at the very grass roots level and start running candidates for the local offices, including state rep and senator. They would start winning those elections, and could build on that. But they don't. They don't even put up candidates for the national level, for Representative or Senator. How in the hell do they think they could run the country? The ignorance and naivete is stunning.

"we know little about the partisan makeup of Johnson’s and Stein’s voters..." R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #1
Right they might as well take their vote and flush it... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #3
It's their vote(s). They can do with it as they see fit, but... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #4
The Dems do have a better strategy but it sounds like you haven't been listening? bettyellen Aug 2016 #8
Try re-reading post #3. While you're at it read the OP as well. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #9
You think DUers are formulating or executing the campaign strategy? Lol nope. bettyellen Aug 2016 #10
I don't recall writing anything of the sort, and frankly I'm glad that they aren't...hopefully. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #11
It seems like you are still having a hard time moving past the primaries bettyellen Aug 2016 #12
Again, this is not about me. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #13
With all your complaints about insults it does sound very personal to you.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #14
I know it must be hard, but try re-re-reading the OP and what it says. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #15
If being snide and looking down on people floats your boat..... bettyellen Aug 2016 #24
LOL! Ok! Thou doth protest too much. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #26
Your posts are snide and reek of a bitterness, yes they doth! bettyellen Aug 2016 #29
Seems both sides here prefer losing to being courteous. Hortensis Aug 2016 #40
Check out post #1. It was curteous. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #45
Yes, Attorney in Texas was courteous and informative. Hortensis Aug 2016 #47
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #48
Opinions vary... R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #44
Lol. OMG, so much projection. I can't even. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #53
Sure they can, but don't call yourself progressive if you plan to vote for any third party candidate Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #34
I am fairly progressive...TY very much. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #46
If you are saying you plan to vote third party and I hope you are not... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #54
A complete waste of time to go after Green voters. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #2
Some will come around...even without the insults. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #6
I have nothing for Greens but contempt...they accomplish nothing Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #35
How did they give us Bush? 8% of registered Democrats Exilednight Aug 2016 #39
I'm not blaming, but don't forget that Ralph Nader's Hortensis Aug 2016 #42
It is not all about Florida...although that was bad enough Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #55
Agree. But considering some went Green mainly Hortensis Aug 2016 #41
I believe the vast majority of those who consider themselves Green have already still_one Aug 2016 #51
This is good Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #5
We may get some Johnson voters GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #7
Exactly. KMOD Aug 2016 #17
This is not what 538 says: Greens would go heavily Dem. Hortensis Aug 2016 #43
It makes no sense for Democrats to try to appeal to libertarians -- who don't believe pnwmom Aug 2016 #16
Right. And my take about the libertarian voters is Hortensis Aug 2016 #49
The reality is they have two choices KMOD Aug 2016 #18
People can vote for whomever they want. Right? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #19
Yes. But I can still think they are an idiot. KMOD Aug 2016 #21
Free country and all. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #23
Idiots scare me. KMOD Aug 2016 #27
Do you know any of them? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #28
Personally? no. KMOD Aug 2016 #30
I see idiots... tonedevil Aug 2016 #31
Yes, people can even vote for Trump if they want oberliner Aug 2016 #22
Really? Convincing? Devoted? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2016 #25
Well, they're idiots for a reason. grossproffit Aug 2016 #20
The real issue is that PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #32
They lose me with their message. KMOD Aug 2016 #33
Word salad that has zero to do with the article posted Capt. Obvious Aug 2016 #37
since you have stated on this site that you would vote for n "down ticket but not the top" Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #36
One has to work hard to even find a Stein voter. There just aren't many. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #38
But liberals are NICE people. :) Seriously, we all have Hortensis Aug 2016 #50
Stein voters are the modern Know-Nothings. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #52
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