Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Shivaraja

(58 posts)
18. If it gets thrown to the House because of Utah, then we were fucked anyway.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:13 PM
Oct 2016

In fact, I'd be surprised if there were even ONE scenario where Utah's 6 ECV will be needed by the Dems to win.

Look, sometimes you have to sacrifice the Pawn in order to checkmate the King. Not all the time, but some of the time. Polls could (will) change between now and the 8th. Utah Dems should watch the race, and vote smart. Decide if you want an extra 6 ECV, or if you want to stop Trump.

No Renew Deal Oct 2016 #1
Not what I'm saying. If the Polls have Trump ahead of McMullin, and Hillary a bit behind them, would OnDoutside Oct 2016 #5
Trump loses the overall race whether he wins or loses Utah Renew Deal Oct 2016 #6
But the fewer electoral votes leftynyc Oct 2016 #11
No. Getting Hillary to 270 is the goal. Renew Deal Oct 2016 #12
But if it's clear that this goal will be accomplished without Utah Shivaraja Oct 2016 #85
that state will either go to Deplorable or McMillan treestar Oct 2016 #95
Of course it can Renew Deal Oct 2016 #105
Is it the pragmatic vote for Dems in Utah? Shivaraja Oct 2016 #13
Oddly enough, it's not a chess game. It's an election of great consequence. Hekate Oct 2016 #47
You're taking this a bit too literally Shivaraja Oct 2016 #51
Oh, to be mansplained about the election of the first female President!! msanthrope Oct 2016 #66
Nice to see you weigh in Hekate Oct 2016 #71
The msanthrope is kinda fucking done. msanthrope Oct 2016 #79
I must leave this oh so elevated discussion for now ("theoretical" my rosy roseola) Hekate Oct 2016 #88
You have the option of OnDoutside Oct 2016 #100
As you and your partner pointed out, it's an open discussion board.... Hekate Oct 2016 #103
Please desist with the anal conspiracy theories, I brought up a hypothetical situation which is OnDoutside Oct 2016 #116
I don't mind your thread concept...I see their are quite a few "elitists" around here and Cakes488 Oct 2016 #126
OK, so your a chess wiz. How excellent for you... Shivaraja Oct 2016 #74
I don't know leftynyc Oct 2016 #57
NO still_one Oct 2016 #2
best advice: ignore the polls eShirl Oct 2016 #3
NO MoonRiver Oct 2016 #4
Nope (n/t) PJMcK Oct 2016 #7
Hypothetically, I believe that you are over thinking this... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #8
You'll hear "NO" - but you need to think HARD on that Shivaraja Oct 2016 #9
What would you do? Renew Deal Oct 2016 #14
If it gets thrown to the House because of Utah, then we were fucked anyway. Shivaraja Oct 2016 #18
So you are recommending that Utah Dems vote for a third party candidate Hekate Oct 2016 #22
I'm not advocating for a third party, especially when it involves theocracy Shivaraja Oct 2016 #24
One goes with the other Renew Deal Oct 2016 #26
Because you only normally see Rep v Dem, you're probably not used to a 3rd candidate being OnDoutside Oct 2016 #37
The US does not have a parliamentary system. That is by design. You are very wrong..... Hekate Oct 2016 #54
This has nothing to do with a parliamentary system, but all about a particular situation in a OnDoutside Oct 2016 #65
Since DUers have abandoned all attempts at intelligent discourse this election ... ieoeja Oct 2016 #97
I think there's at least a 4th option Shivaraja Oct 2016 #108
Yep, and I would think they'd be a lot of Utah voters who wouldn't want the stain of Trump OnDoutside Oct 2016 #114
Thanks for the great reply. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #110
Then it won't stop Trump either way. Statistical Oct 2016 #130
I agree with you completely! I had the same idea. bushisanidiot Oct 2016 #135
Is this a serious question??? greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #10
People should vote for whoever they want as President. phleshdef Oct 2016 #15
If someone wants to participate in DU, then they had better be voting for Hillary still_one Oct 2016 #29
No shit. People in general, should still vote for whoever they want. phleshdef Oct 2016 #39
The only way Utah's electoral votes matter is if Clinton and Trump both have say 266 electoral votes WhollyHeretic Oct 2016 #16
Where is that scenario even a possibility? JHB Oct 2016 #17
In Utah Shivaraja Oct 2016 #19
Thank you. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #32
Your OP suggests that Democrat not vote for Democrats. FSogol Oct 2016 #20
FFS, get a grip. I'm talking tactics in what would a highly unusual situation. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #31
How old were you in 2000? We have heard this "strategy" before. Pardon the skepticism... Hekate Oct 2016 #38
Too old, thanks very much. Again this is a very particular situation, as I have said elsewhere. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #69
"Dragging up 2000 is overthinking this." Yeah, the Florida recount was a laugh a minute. Hekate Oct 2016 #76
and completely unrelated to the theoretical isssue outlined in the OP Shivaraja Oct 2016 #83
This. Is. Real. Life. Hekate Oct 2016 #86
Great article, requires no commentary from anyone Shivaraja Oct 2016 #90
Her point was to passively, aggressively call you sexist. n/t ieoeja Oct 2016 #99
FFS, Vote for Democrats. FSogol Oct 2016 #96
Yes I'm hoping they'll split the Rep vote allowing Hillary in, but that isn't the question I posed. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #98
What is this, The Gong Show? Hekate Oct 2016 #21
Last time I looked it was a political discussion website. Gasp. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #27
Apparently, even if you advocate for a Clinton presidency Shivaraja Oct 2016 #33
You both signed the TOS for this site. That runs a lot deeper than any supposed group-think. Hekate Oct 2016 #40
And the theoretical question was simple Shivaraja Oct 2016 #61
True, scary stuff ! OnDoutside Oct 2016 #41
Eeks. your age is showing. I loved the Gong Show. zonkers Oct 2016 #52
Probably. Except I disliked the whole premise and didn't watch it. Hekate Oct 2016 #55
Utahns - If the map looks like this on election day, GO VOTE CLINTON DAMN IT! Shivaraja Oct 2016 #23
Well, that presupposes..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2016 #63
I'm sure that you're correct Shivaraja Oct 2016 #68
McMullin is better than Trump, but Clinton is the obvious choice between the three geek tragedy Oct 2016 #25
But what if the last poll in Utah, on Nov 7 said OnDoutside Oct 2016 #30
why should we care which Republican wins Utah? geek tragedy Oct 2016 #44
Why would you want to give Trump ANY advantage ? It would be great if Hillary could win Utah, but if OnDoutside Oct 2016 #50
If polls say "Alien hovercraft photo beer" Loki Liesmith Oct 2016 #28
Ooga booga smooga wooga, eh? Hekate Oct 2016 #42
IF the polls say Emperor Palpatine, then Darth Vader, then Hill... brooklynite Oct 2016 #35
Who is Evan McMullin? vi5 Oct 2016 #36
Well done, you didn't come down in the last shower !!! ;) OnDoutside Oct 2016 #43
Third party basically running against Trump in Mormon country Hekate Oct 2016 #45
...reasons, you know like, reducing Trump's EC votes. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #48
I've updated the thread title to reflect that this is UTAH we are talking about. Clearly this is not OnDoutside Oct 2016 #46
Absolutely not. MineralMan Oct 2016 #49
There are a limited number of characters in a thread title. You should know this by now. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #59
in that case, you can ask whether Democrats should vote for him. MineralMan Oct 2016 #73
typo alert Hekate Oct 2016 #78
Thank you. I've corrected it. MineralMan Oct 2016 #80
No. Let Republicans and independents decide how they vote in Utah. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #53
Don't overthink it, there are probably Motley13 Oct 2016 #56
McMullin can't win the White House, but CAN win Utah Shivaraja Oct 2016 #64
That's exactly the point I was making. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #70
FAIL Coyotl Oct 2016 #58
Democrats not voting for Democrats is not the answer. nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2016 #60
No. Just - no. SeattleVet Oct 2016 #62
If the moon were made out of cheese, would you eat it? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2016 #67
Is it Blue cheese ? OnDoutside Oct 2016 #72
and what wine will be served? Shivaraja Oct 2016 #77
Latest Utah poll : McMullin 31 Trump 27 Clinton 24 ... this might be a moot point anyway ! OnDoutside Oct 2016 #75
Correction Polly Hennessey Oct 2016 #81
No relayerbob Oct 2016 #82
No. I think Hillary can take Utah True_Blue Oct 2016 #84
I love the optimism! Shivaraja Oct 2016 #87
She's certainly not going to win if all the Dems True_Blue Oct 2016 #91
Hillary is headed for the White House Shivaraja Oct 2016 #93
First off, Utah is already voting. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2016 #89
No. book_worm Oct 2016 #92
YES YES YES !! Can't believe all the no's Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2016 #94
I can't tell the people of Utah saltpoint Oct 2016 #101
Adding a NO! liberal N proud Oct 2016 #102
"Democratic" voters should vote for Clinton TeacherB87 Oct 2016 #104
Noticed that too? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #109
Oh no, not another one. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #111
MineralMan just posted about that too, it's Democratic when used as an adjective ffr Oct 2016 #128
Thank you TeacherB87 Oct 2016 #132
There's no strategic reason to vote for anyone other than Hillary, qdouble Oct 2016 #106
As stated above the EV's for or taken away from or to Trump DO NOT matter in terms of 270 to Hillary Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #107
No. Dems vote for Dems, none of this alleged "strategic" nonsense. emulatorloo Oct 2016 #112
No. nt William769 Oct 2016 #113
Alert denbot Oct 2016 #115
Ah cop on, Jake Soberoff is on MSNBC right now talking to a couple about this exact situation. A OnDoutside Oct 2016 #117
That's MSNBC, this is DU. denbot Oct 2016 #118
Yeah, please explain it to me, I'll get the popcorn ! OnDoutside Oct 2016 #119
What a stupid ass idea bravenak Oct 2016 #120
That would be not smart. LisaL Oct 2016 #122
I would still vote democrat Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2016 #125
Little Perturbed on This Discussion kurt_cagle Oct 2016 #133
Yes, absolutely. I thought the same thing. Hillary far outside the margin of error but McMullen is bushisanidiot Oct 2016 #134
Dec 1969 #
Dec 1969 #
Dec 1969 #
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»IF the polls in Utah say ...»Reply #18