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2016 Postmortem

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2016, 07:43 PM Nov 2016

The ambiguity on trade cost us the Upper Midwest. [View all]

The states we just barely lost were the states that have suffered the worst from globalization. The nearly half of the primary voters who supported the runner-up BEGGED the party to put an explicit "no TPP" pledge in the platform. We were treated like we were making a big deal about nothing.

The trade plank, as phrased, was meaningless. It allowed Trump to imply that, if elected, our nominee would find some pretext to decide that TPP was acceptable after all. It sent the message to hard-hit people that our party, the party that is SUPPOSED to fight for workers of all races with the same passion with which it justly speaks out against institutional bigotry, cared more about the suites than the streets.

And throughout the fall, as Trump hammered us on TPP, we said...nothing. Nothing at all.

If we don't learn from that, if we continue to pretend that the Trump phenomenon is NOTHING but bigotry, we will never win another election.

We must fight for justice for ALL who are treated unjustly...the victims of greed as much as the victims of hate, and the victims of BOTH most of all.

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You think enough voters read the platform ... imaginary girl Nov 2016 #1
It's not just the platform, it's that we didn't talk about working people at all. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #8
We aren't very good at getting our message out imaginary girl Nov 2016 #10
maybe she should've run on issues rather than Trump said this and said that. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #39
Yes, and no one believed our messenger NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #58
It wasn't just Rs. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #70
She did talk about it, they reported the "crooked stuff" instead. bettyellen Nov 2016 #35
Ayup. Lying about what she supported is not helpful. boston bean Nov 2016 #38
No, that wasn't it. Trump was able to connect with these people in their gut in a way Democrats geek tragedy Nov 2016 #2
It wasn't just the platform. It was a whole attitude. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #9
Nonsense. n/t Lucinda Nov 2016 #28
Lucid argument. n/t OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #71
Bullshit BainsBane Nov 2016 #3
It wasn't just the platform, it was the stump speech. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #5
When Hillary came out against TPP... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #42
She never spoke about it convincingly and with passion. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #72
There it is! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #74
Whatever that means. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #76
Globalization is not the only factor. Automation and robotics killed plenty of jobs also. LonePirate Nov 2016 #4
OK, but we didn't address that, either. We said nothing about jobs and fear of want at all. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #6
Your suggestions are worth pursuing. Maybe Dems at the local level can start the process. LonePirate Nov 2016 #13
Some people are reading too much science fiction duffyduff Nov 2016 #82
White rural voters won it in the upper MW on race not what was in the platform book_worm Nov 2016 #7
Agreed imaginary girl Nov 2016 #11
Thank you. It's FOOLISH to think that an election was lost because ... NurseJackie Nov 2016 #12
I agree completely - it was the messenger, not the platform wording that lost it for us. hueymahl Nov 2016 #59
Oh brother! NurseJackie Nov 2016 #61
Glad you find it funny! hueymahl Nov 2016 #64
Nope. She was a brilliant candidate. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #68
No, TexasTowelie Nov 2016 #14
What a load of shit. Racism cost us. nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #15
It's not as simple as racism. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16
Your concern is noted. Seriously. "Ourselves." nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #17
Yep, "ourselves". MelissaB Nov 2016 #19
I'm as much a Dem as you are. I have as much right to identify as part of the party as you do. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #20
I'm with you on this one. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #21
Awesome. Tell me your campaign assignment. nt msanthrope Nov 2016 #23
Oh, jeez! MelissaB Nov 2016 #24
I canvassed many parts of Olympia for the Thurston County Dems. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #25
"Interrogation" is down the hall at the last door on the right. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #65
... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #77
I suspected this would happen to Bernie primary supporters when DU reopened. MelissaB Nov 2016 #26
as a Clinton supporter from the start, there are many reasons, so many confluences as to why we lost Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #30
Thank you. It is DU'ers with YOUR open attitude that will make the difference Ken Burch Nov 2016 #32
can we all please stop the inane "concern" meme on every angle Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #29
With four OPs this one poster is creating an echo chamber... bettyellen Nov 2016 #34
sorry, but concern is now more than warranted 0rganism Nov 2016 #63
They can both have cost us. TimeChaser Nov 2016 #22
Nope. It was sexism in part but primarily it was the media duffyduff Nov 2016 #81
We will never know Va Lefty Nov 2016 #18
She won the popular vote mcar Nov 2016 #27
maybe running a candidate under FBI investigate wasn't a good idea. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #43
1 OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #73
Not a good idea...at all. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #78
Yes, and in a parallel universe, pigs fly hueymahl Nov 2016 #60
Truth is there are a variety of factors Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #31
Another shoulda "follow Bernie's campaign" OP? Isn't this spamming us now? bettyellen Nov 2016 #33
Hillary Clinton WON by a million votes and counting. The Electoral College has got to go. Hekate Nov 2016 #36
We all agree with you about the Electoral College. Nobody here defends that institution. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #53
Yes in the Mid-West, trade cost us the election. nt Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #37
Believe that fantasy. The jobs aren't coming back. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #41
And this is why Democrats lost and will continue to lose. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #44
Thank you. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #49
How do you think Germany "protects its manufacturing jobs"? It is in the WTO pampango Nov 2016 #79
Are you serious? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #84
Great article. Germany does not 'protect their industries' with tariffs of other import restrictions pampango Nov 2016 #85
Keep repeating the meaningless meme that OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #75
These white dudes are THIRTY YEARS TOO LATE TO THE PARTY duffyduff Nov 2016 #40
A lot of them did, actually. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48
Yet a good chunk of the Trump voters are good old boys who like Bill Clinton more than Hillary. pnwmom Nov 2016 #83
Your post explains why Europe has the social programs it has and we do not Yavin4 Nov 2016 #86
Do you seriously think Trump was LESS ambiguous than Clinton? randome Nov 2016 #45
then what happened in the Senate elections dsc Nov 2016 #46
Some felt, I'm guessing, that voting for the GOP Senate candidate would help Trump get stuff done. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #47
they all did better than he did in their states dsc Nov 2016 #67
Trump also ran on infrastructure improvement LeftInTX Nov 2016 #50
Another good point. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #52
Rob Portman begs to differ. nt pkdu Nov 2016 #51
You get it, K&R! B Calm Nov 2016 #54
I bet the TPP gets passed very quickly once the GOP has the house, senate, and presidency gollygee Nov 2016 #55
I realize that Trump isn't sincere about opposing TPP. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #56
It isn't only that, but it's a major factor gollygee Nov 2016 #57
And nobody is saying it ISN'T a major factor, OR that we shouldn't speak out about it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #62
Well then we're on the same page gollygee Nov 2016 #66
Sorry...it sounded like you were another person saying it was racism and nothing else. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #69
Baloney. Sept '16 unemployment rate in MI: 4.6%. WI: 4.1% ucrdem Nov 2016 #80
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