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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Eichenwald: The Myths Democrats Swallowed that Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all]LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)8. One can post other articles arguing the opposite.
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-would-have-crushed-trump/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-lost-bernie-sanders-could-have-won/?utm_term=.93f1930f8f9c
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/presidential-election-donald-trump-would-have-lost-if-bernie-sanders-had-been-the-candidate-a7406346.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/2016-election-poll-bernie-sanders-trump_us_58260f7ee4b0c4b63b0c6928
The numbers suggest that there may have been enough Sanders votes in those pivotal states to have swung the election in Sanders favor if superdelegates and restrictive closed primaries werent part of the Democratic primary process. Popular blog All That Is Interesting created an electoral map assuming that Sanders won white, rural rust belt voters in the traditionally blue states that Hillary Clinton lost on Tuesday night in a hypothetical Trump/Sanders general election matchup, giving Sanders with a 303-235 advantage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-lost-bernie-sanders-could-have-won/?utm_term=.93f1930f8f9c
There will be years of recriminations in our future. Many Democrats will, as is their habit, conclude that the fault lies with the left wing of the party that progressive party activists did not sufficiently support the candidate or that leftward attacks weakened Clinton. But that notion hides a simple fact: In an election of immense importance, Democratic leadership and voters rejected a hugely popular candidate in favor of a deeply unpopular one and are now paying the price. Some of us will be asking why for years to come.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/presidential-election-donald-trump-would-have-lost-if-bernie-sanders-had-been-the-candidate-a7406346.html
But it was not just anecdotal evidence. A series of polls suggested that Mr Sanders - with his calls for free college tuition, the removal of student debt, a national health service and the removal of big money from politics - would stand a better chance against Mr Trump than Ms Clinton.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/2016-election-poll-bernie-sanders-trump_us_58260f7ee4b0c4b63b0c6928
The national survey of more than 1,600 registered voters, conducted by Gravis Marketing two days before the general election, found that Sanders would have received 56 percent of the vote while Trump would have won 44 percent. The poll was commissioned and financed by outgoing Florida Congressman Alan Grayson, a Democrat who endorsed Sanders in the presidential primary.
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Eichenwald: The Myths Democrats Swallowed that Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all]
Hekate
Nov 2016
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Excellent! Every word of it describes how I feel about 3rd Party voters and those who stayed home
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#2
Didn't the "start your own 3rd part and get out of ours" nonsense really alienate people
Feeling the Bern
Nov 2016
#10
In response to Berners who stated the "lock her up" crap- yes. They have to go.
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#25
First of all, drop the pretense that I was talking to you/about you personally.
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#42
Eichenwald demolishes a key myth: that Bernie would have done better than Hillary.
pnwmom
Nov 2016
#3
Yes - I'd been thinking of you in the off days, and looking forward to getting back together.
NBachers
Nov 2016
#7
Yeah, I kept trying & trying, but never got the "Reset my Password" email. I had to contact Earl too
NBachers
Nov 2016
#17
Apparently polls that take all that into account aren't very accurate either. Nt
LostOne4Ever
Nov 2016
#36
Blaming that sliver of Green voters- and there's always a sliver- isn't gonna work this time.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#11
Absolutely. The polls were so far off, I've never seen anything like it.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#16
I don't know. I knew a lot of Berners that ended up voting for her but we're spreading misconception
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#30
The fact that Donna Brazile gave Hillary a debate question in advance... probably didn't help.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#66
It was way before that- they salivated over Guccifer and Wikileaks and all sorts of stupid shit....
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#80
the tone of his campaign may have been more in tune with the mood of the electorate, than hers.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#82
They don't want to take responsibility for running a flaw candidate at the worse time.
Cobalt Violet
Nov 2016
#40
Hillary won the popular vote and they're still counting. Polls had Hillary winning too.
grossproffit
Nov 2016
#23
Your last sentence is not true. See the Cook Political Report website. More people voted in 2016
spooky3
Nov 2016
#54
After a run that never happened? You can't ask someone who didn't see them run what they'd do after
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#29
Oh bullshit. He was barely vetted in the first place and would have fallen apert like a cheap suit
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#43
Well any perceived or real negative could be hauled out as a reason for the loss.
Wilms
Nov 2016
#72
This is why people who that GOPr voters would lay down and vote for Bernie...
MrScorpio
Nov 2016
#45
So why did she WIN by a million plus votes? Those were cast by real people everywhere.
Hekate
Nov 2016
#57
getting rid of the Electoral College would require a constitutional amendment.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#65
I agree. But if people want to reflexively blame this fuckup on "berniebros" or some shit
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#84
other people have noted that Hillary's negatives were already baked in with a large segment of
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#81
The Clinton Campaign Was Undone By Its Own Neglect And A Touch Of Arrogance, Staffers Say
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2016
#83