2016 Postmortem

bettyellen

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30. I don't know. I knew a lot of Berners that ended up voting for her but we're spreading misconception

Wed Nov 16, 2016, 09:54 AM

Nov 2016

The end. They got a lot wrong about the emails, how individual donations get labeled corporate, the DNC ganging up against Bernie from the beginning (not knowing the dates of the emails) and they were very talkative people- spreading misinformation. A few were doing write ins too. It was sort of crazy.

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Eichenwald: The Myths Democrats Swallowed that Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all] Hekate Nov 2016 OP

superb article, really lays out a comprehensive case Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #1

Excellent! Every word of it describes how I feel about 3rd Party voters and those who stayed home Lil Missy Nov 2016 #2

Didn't the "start your own 3rd part and get out of ours" nonsense really alienate people Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #10

In response to Berners who stated the "lock her up" crap- yes. They have to go. bettyellen Nov 2016 #25

They were never Democrats anyway mcar Nov 2016 #32

I had friends who were former Dems and Berners, ended up supporting her but bettyellen Nov 2016 #34

I will never understand the hatred mcar Nov 2016 #35

First of all, drop the pretense that I was talking to you/about you personally. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #42

I voted for Clinton. Prozac. . .good thing to take. Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #47

As a Bernie website would be good for you ... Lil Missy Nov 2016 #61

Eichenwald demolishes a key myth: that Bernie would have done better than Hillary. pnwmom Nov 2016 #3

And no restrictions on abortion. Dumb platform. bettyellen Nov 2016 #26

I urge everyone to read this article in it's entirety. NBachers Nov 2016 #4

I read it the other day and posted it elsewhere. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #5

Yes - I'd been thinking of you in the off days, and looking forward to getting back together. NBachers Nov 2016 #7

I had some trouble coming back. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #9

Yeah, I kept trying & trying, but never got the "Reset my Password" email. I had to contact Earl too NBachers Nov 2016 #17

Me,too Polly Hennessey Nov 2016 #38

Same email glitch. Got immediate response from the crew Guilded Lilly Nov 2016 #51

Thanks for this Hekate. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #6

One can post other articles arguing the opposite. LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #8

You didn't read the article? bettyellen Nov 2016 #27

I did. I rejected its claims. Nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #28

You didn't explain why Bernie would have done any better in the general, pnwmom Nov 2016 #85

A poll that doesn't take into account mcar Nov 2016 #33

Apparently polls that take all that into account aren't very accurate either. Nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #36

Another reason to ignore this particular poll mcar Nov 2016 #37

Blaming that sliver of Green voters- and there's always a sliver- isn't gonna work this time. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #11

The third party vote was greater in every key state she lost BainsBane Nov 2016 #12

I'm not saying they didn't. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #13

I don't think she assumed they belong to her BainsBane Nov 2016 #14

Absolutely. The polls were so far off, I've never seen anything like it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #16

Well she won't be a candidate again BainsBane Nov 2016 #18

I don't think it's simple, at all. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #19

I don't know. I knew a lot of Berners that ended up voting for her but we're spreading misconception bettyellen Nov 2016 #30

The fact that Donna Brazile gave Hillary a debate question in advance... probably didn't help. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #66

It was way before that- they salivated over Guccifer and Wikileaks and all sorts of stupid shit.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #80

the tone of his campaign may have been more in tune with the mood of the electorate, than hers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #82

They don't want to take responsibility for running a flaw candidate at the worse time. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #40

New Pre-Election Poll Suggests Bernie Sanders Could Have Trounced Donald Trump Wilms Nov 2016 #15

Nope. DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #20

Yep Lunabell Nov 2016 #21

Really? DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #22

yep really Lunabell Nov 2016 #24

oh puhleeze DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #48

I didn't say that. Lunabell Nov 2016 #56

nope. He didn't have her bagage. He was trusted she was not! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #41

Hillary won the popular vote and they're still counting. Polls had Hillary winning too. grossproffit Nov 2016 #23

How many voters left blank the two top presidential candidates B Calm Nov 2016 #39

Your last sentence is not true. See the Cook Political Report website. More people voted in 2016 spooky3 Nov 2016 #54

After a run that never happened? You can't ask someone who didn't see them run what they'd do after bettyellen Nov 2016 #29

Oh bullshit. He was barely vetted in the first place and would have fallen apert like a cheap suit Lil Missy Nov 2016 #43

I read it. Wilms Nov 2016 #44

You didn't bother to read the article, did you? athena Nov 2016 #64

I read it. Wilms Nov 2016 #67

He lost the primary. athena Nov 2016 #68

Are we to go into the particulars? Wilms Nov 2016 #70

You've got to be kidding. athena Nov 2016 #71

Well any perceived or real negative could be hauled out as a reason for the loss. Wilms Nov 2016 #72

She is unpopular because she is a woman. athena Nov 2016 #73

Or... Wilms Nov 2016 #74

None of those things would have carried any weight had Hillary been male. athena Nov 2016 #75

To you, athena. Wilms Nov 2016 #76

Excellent article mcar Nov 2016 #31

This is why people who that GOPr voters would lay down and vote for Bernie... MrScorpio Nov 2016 #45

Mind boggling indeed Hekate Nov 2016 #46

you're being too kind DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #49

Same here Hekate Nov 2016 #50

A thousand recs. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #52

'She didnt earn my vote', JTFrog Nov 2016 #53

Myth #1: It was everybody's fault but Hillary's. DirkGently Nov 2016 #55

So why did she WIN by a million plus votes? Those were cast by real people everywhere. Hekate Nov 2016 #57

She didn't "win." She was destroyed. DirkGently Nov 2016 #58

So why aren't our Sanders friends revolting against that? Hekate Nov 2016 #59

Because it's more realistic to try actually winning? DirkGently Nov 2016 #60

Uh huh Hekate Nov 2016 #62

Snappy! DirkGently Nov 2016 #63

getting rid of the Electoral College would require a constitutional amendment. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #65

I'm aware of that. But if Bernie thought he could become POTUS, why not this? Hekate Nov 2016 #69

or we could continue to whang on Bernie Sanders, because reasons. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #77

or we could continue to whang on Hillary, because reasons Hekate Nov 2016 #78

I agree. But if people want to reflexively blame this fuckup on "berniebros" or some shit Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #84

But there is an option to work towards... Beartracks Nov 2016 #86

true. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #87

The article makes the valid point anamnua Nov 2016 #79

other people have noted that Hillary's negatives were already baked in with a large segment of Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #81

The Clinton Campaign Was Undone By Its Own Neglect And A Touch Of Arrogance, Staffers Say Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #83