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andym

(5,441 posts)
19. Comey's last minute interference tipped the election
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:38 AM
Nov 2016

I think everyone was watching the polls tighten with trepidation the last two weeks, but the polls didn't completely capture the last minute movement. But there is another factor that you are not taking into account: Trump was a terrible candidate. Perhaps the worst GOP candidate ever. That needs to be factored in, as a GOP candidate without the warts would have likely done much better than Trump did, especially in the Rust Belt, if they were promising "change".

I think we do need to deal with issues at the local level. LisaM Nov 2016 #1
Without massive voter disenfranchisement, we win. ecstatic Nov 2016 #2
yes. barbtries Nov 2016 #20
Cheaters win. Coyotl Nov 2016 #22
Voter suppression and James Comey made the difference. Other things could've been better, but... SharonAnn Nov 2016 #33
We won the popular vote regardless. duffyduff Nov 2016 #57
This... ThirdEye Nov 2016 #58
Correct Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #3
In my opinion teach1st Nov 2016 #4
I agree. She had momentum and was going to win. boston bean Nov 2016 #5
Correct. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #6
Wrong. Comey had little to do with this. duffyduff Nov 2016 #7
That is a secondary factor, IMHO, because even with that she was leading by a lot pre-Comey. stevenleser Nov 2016 #8
In what poll(s) was she leading by a lot pre-Comey? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #70
I agree with you, media came to HRC a week before election like hounds... they could have MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #9
Comey had EVERYTHING to do with her positive momentum coming to a crashing halt. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #10
Yes, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion. nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #25
Absolutely. It affected some of my "independent" minded friends. They were going to support H, but SharonAnn Nov 2016 #34
the emails created the narrative for the media to jump on her Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #36
I'd say so. ucrdem Nov 2016 #11
That is only true if you ignore where Hillary lost and how they wanted change. nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #12
Nope, she was leading big in all of those places pre-Comey as well. nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #38
She was leading BIG and in the middle of an upswing in all those places post Comey as well LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #47
HRC was already week in the rust belt pstokely Nov 2016 #13
See Comey and voter Suppression. lather, rinse, repeat. SharonAnn Nov 2016 #35
Why would you want us to maintain the status quo, though? Ken Burch Nov 2016 #14
Why would you change something that works and would have won absent cheating? stevenleser Nov 2016 #26
Yep, Guiliani's errand boy should not get to just shrink back into the shadows. nt prayin4rain Nov 2016 #15
It was a few things DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #16
Absolutely NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #30
Agree with all of those, but she also made some mistakes democrattotheend Nov 2016 #75
I think you're right, but I also think people like Sen. Warren are right when they say Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #17
I completely agree. Sorceress Nov 2016 #18
Comey's last minute interference tipped the election andym Nov 2016 #19
Are you forgetting that he beat out 14 other Republicans spooky3 Nov 2016 #44
Not forgetting that he won the GOP primary-- he would have had more problems against the GOP A team andym Nov 2016 #48
Totally disagree. Both of them have considerable spooky3 Nov 2016 #49
That Ryan didn't help Romney much means little, often VP candidates dont help much in the GE andym Nov 2016 #54
Completely disagree. closeupready Nov 2016 #21
Nope, the interference by the FBI director is an unprecedented issue for a Presidential election. stevenleser Nov 2016 #40
Nope. I like you, Steve, but you (and her fans here) are simply denying reality. closeupready Nov 2016 #55
And with all of what you write she was up 9 points, way out of the margin of error. stevenleser Nov 2016 #66
A lead so fragile is no lead at all. Mile wide and inch deep, and all that. closeupready Nov 2016 #67
As it always is or at least should be. We don't worship our politicos and an investigation or threat stevenleser Nov 2016 #68
The FBI interference would never have been possible BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #71
The Bengazi/e-mail witch hunt was GOP manufactured bullshit from oasis Nov 2016 #72
Nope, the investigation was already finished and the likelihood of getting stevenleser Nov 2016 #76
The real key would be to have been smart enough BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #77
I disagree with that democrattotheend Nov 2016 #73
There are many reasons for this loss....and this was one of them. TrekLuver Nov 2016 #23
Yes, it was all about who got the last great smear in. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #24
And it was the last grand Republican smear-from which she could not recover from. riversedge Nov 2016 #28
So let's do something about it cilla4progress Nov 2016 #27
It will not be answered. mainstreetonce Nov 2016 #29
Depending on your definition of "proven" sure it can stevenleser Nov 2016 #31
I think what it/he did do was give too many people who jmg257 Nov 2016 #32
I agree, but will anything be done about it now???? beaglelover Nov 2016 #37
We lost because our candidate didn't command enough votes. DirkGently Nov 2016 #39
Nope, that is just trying to justify your position, not actual analysis. nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #41
"Not enough votes" is actually why we lost. DirkGently Nov 2016 #42
Sure, and in a dictatorship 100% of the votes is why a dictator wins. It doesnt tell the story. stevenleser Nov 2016 #43
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Yes, and Poland is in Eastern Europe. I can list facts that don't pertain to the discussion too. nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #59
This kind of discourse belongs on JPR, not DU. You should stay over there. stevenleser Nov 2016 #60
Those ugly names were yours, Steven. DirkGently Nov 2016 #61
I'm talking about YOUR discourse. It belongs on JPR not here nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #63
hrm. you want to edit this? nashville_brook Nov 2016 #62
Nope. Why would I? Nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #64
I think she would have won in 2008 democrattotheend Nov 2016 #74
She didn't run one ad (that I know of) addressing jobs. Not one ad talking about Obama's KittyWampus Nov 2016 #46
The only Hill ad I ever saw on TV was about jobs. ucrdem Nov 2016 #52
Excellent points Kitty. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #53
Nope, see ucrdem's post above. Nt stevenleser Nov 2016 #65
I saw PLENTY of ads running DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #69
James "Flakey Jim" Comey was fully aware of the impact his interference oasis Nov 2016 #50
Your assumptions do not seem to take into account the fact that the GOP is: guillaumeb Nov 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Nov 2016 #56
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