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Maven

(10,533 posts)
212. This is so delusional I don't know where to begin.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 06:53 PM
Nov 2016

MADem's post above says it all, so I'll just cosign and leave it at that.

Sanders couldn't beat Clinton. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #1
Let's not mention the "rigged primary" that cost us a lot of votes because people walked away MelissaB Nov 2016 #3
Or the rigged general. lol. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #6
Looks like you're missing the point again. MelissaB Nov 2016 #7
No, I'm not. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #13
Polls, not predictions. DirkGently Nov 2016 #58
And the polls turned out to be SO accurate this election cycle, didn't they? Give me a fuckin' beaglelover Nov 2016 #60
Polls gave Hillary a tiny lead at best. DirkGently Nov 2016 #66
Hillary won the popular vote by enough to make the 4 point lead accurate. Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #155
I don't think Clinton was unelectable. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #61
She literally had the highest disapproval DirkGently Nov 2016 #68
Lets see. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #73
It is a fact she was unelectable. DirkGently Nov 2016 #76
"It is a fact she was unelectable." NCTraveler Nov 2016 #79
McCain would have beaten her. Romney too. DirkGently Nov 2016 #81
You are just all over the place. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #86
You imagine you disproved Clinton was unelectable? DirkGently Nov 2016 #91
No, by your own metric Trump could never have won. Other than that you have personal bettyellen Nov 2016 #102
Disapproval was one index of Clinton's unelectability. DirkGently Nov 2016 #113
If we're going to re-run candidates who lost the General Election, BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #167
Absolutely! DirkGently Nov 2016 #170
How about this...I blame Bernie for her loss. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #234
She lost only the Electoral College. She did win the popular vote. duffyduff Nov 2016 #175
If Clinton was unelectable then Sanders was more unelectable. Period. George II Nov 2016 #158
Except all the polls had him smashing Trump, of course. DirkGently Nov 2016 #168
The same pollsters had Clinton "smashing" Trump. George II Nov 2016 #173
No one ever had Clinton beating Trump like Sanders. DirkGently Nov 2016 #177
We don't elect Presidents with national votes. At one point (just before Comey interfered)..... George II Nov 2016 #184
Clinton got crushed in the EC. DirkGently Nov 2016 #190
When it's all said and done, she will have lost by about 40-50 votes. That's not being "crushed". George II Nov 2016 #203
She simply was a bad choice. DirkGently Nov 2016 #209
Don't know, perhaps you should ask the Sanders supporters? George II Nov 2016 #213
Says the poster arguing ham sandwiches are anti-Semitic? DirkGently Nov 2016 #216
I never argued the simply "ham sandwiches" are anti-Semitic. Context is everything! George II Nov 2016 #229
And we know polls are so accurate BainsBane Nov 2016 #224
"Disapproval" wasn't on the ballot. If it was she would have won by a landslide. George II Nov 2016 #199
Something sure kept people from voting for her. DirkGently Nov 2016 #202
Better than a million people voted for her over Trump. George II Nov 2016 #204
Not enough in the states Sanders won. DirkGently Nov 2016 #215
Nor can you win the nomination "appealing to just the people predisposed to support you". George II Nov 2016 #230
No she did not. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #201
She did set a personal 30-year worst DirkGently Nov 2016 #206
Especially to sexist misogynist men. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #208
Well the misogyinst's unfavorables were even higher. DirkGently Nov 2016 #210
Yes you are. Plucketeer Nov 2016 #112
If Sanders couldn't win the primaries which were to his advantage LiberalFighter Nov 2016 #69
Yeah... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #149
Bernie had less votes Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #151
Good point! We'll see in 4 years whether Bernie can beat Donald Chump... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #226
You are suggesting we should run and 80 year old socialist candidate against Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #235
So dirty...people voted and he lost...the horror. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #233
This - OhZone Nov 2016 #5
Somehow, Bernie would have resonated with him. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #8
Bernie didn't have to resonate with that guy ThirdEye Nov 2016 #26
"sick of establishment politics. " NCTraveler Nov 2016 #30
Well I'll give you one thing ThirdEye Nov 2016 #36
You made the claim. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #38
I'm confused ThirdEye Nov 2016 #87
You say he was establishment, but his votes came from people fed up with the system Bucky Nov 2016 #178
I'm not sure how to respond to... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #194
Bernie IS establshiment. nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #45
Being elected doesn't make you establishment ThirdEye Nov 2016 #72
Holding office for over 30 years does. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #80
When I think of "establishment", I think of Podesta's email. Wilms Nov 2016 #88
When I think establishment, I think of old white guys in Washington. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #93
yeah, and now American elected another one. Ligyron Nov 2016 #132
Don't forget Planned Parenthood!! Anyone working for the common good for years is SHITE!?!?! bettyellen Nov 2016 #106
"Shite". What a silly word. Wilms Nov 2016 #108
How's thirty years in govt and fixed nothing! Wants HUGE tax increases! bettyellen Nov 2016 #111
Believe me. I know you could go on. Wilms Nov 2016 #122
I've seen literally hundred of Cut and pastes on sanders- but taxes and bettyellen Nov 2016 #126
Then why are you trotting out falsehoods? Wilms Nov 2016 #128
The only regular paychecks Bernie ever got for a sustained period of time were government ones. MADem Nov 2016 #115
Why is corporate establishment "made up bullshit" hueymahl Nov 2016 #135
Exactly. They think that trump would have treated Sanders lunamagica Nov 2016 #9
Yep mcar Nov 2016 #29
it's not about how the Rs would have treated Sanders, it's that nashville_brook Nov 2016 #62
She got four million more votes than he did! lunamagica Nov 2016 #70
Some people don't have a clue what would had been thrown at Sanders. LiberalFighter Nov 2016 #71
Guess what, opposition research was of zero impact this election. Zen Democrat Nov 2016 #160
This was the year when labels were discarded for the message. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #165
Plus a fucking million. nt Maven Nov 2016 #205
Do I really have to point out the logical flaws in your argument? Bucky Nov 2016 #15
"Do I really have to point out the logical flaws in your argument?" NCTraveler Nov 2016 #27
Yep. An outsider with difficult aspirations was what voters wanted. DirkGently Nov 2016 #63
Imaginary? Like Trump's chances? ThirdEye Nov 2016 #31
Yup, and someone posted an article here with the reasons that Sanders was popular: R B Garr Nov 2016 #32
Not attacked? ThirdEye Nov 2016 #40
Welcome to DU R B Garr Nov 2016 #50
I respect your perspective ThirdEye Nov 2016 #136
More silly season nonsense. closeupready Nov 2016 #33
Agree. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #39
Not playing your games. closeupready Nov 2016 #78
Ok. No games, though. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #176
Ding! (That's correct.) NurseJackie Nov 2016 #83
Thank you. cwydro Nov 2016 #89
In a fair contest, perhaps he could have SoCalDem Nov 2016 #147
Lame excuse.Look Hillary Clinton had her wings clipped by the GOP Fascists INdemo Nov 2016 #171
Yep. It is pretty obvious. duffyduff Nov 2016 #174
yes! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #2
we had two very suboptimal candidates. Can you name the last time a Democrat over 60 won? geek tragedy Nov 2016 #10
coming in from outside the White House, they've all been 50 or younger Bucky Nov 2016 #186
Firstly - we won the popular vote - OhZone Nov 2016 #12
If you don't learn from history, you'll repeat it ThirdEye Nov 2016 #43
Maybe we need to make it a federal crime for an FBI director to "opine" on open investigations, MADem Nov 2016 #129
100% agree ThirdEye Nov 2016 #134
who received four million more votes than Sanders lunamagica Nov 2016 #14
Yup nt OhZone Nov 2016 #21
No one is saying he didn't lose ThirdEye Nov 2016 #46
The point is that if he couldn't even beat her, how could he beat trump lunamagica Nov 2016 #77
I agree. Ligyron Nov 2016 #140
We did not have a bad candidate mcar Nov 2016 #34
"Actual polls showing Sanders winning decisively against Trump" geek tragedy Nov 2016 #4
Actually most of the polls had her winning - OhZone Nov 2016 #16
or, there was a group of likely Trump voters that were much harder to poll than Clinton/Sanders geek tragedy Nov 2016 #17
Or maybe... ThirdEye Nov 2016 #48
I think there was definitely some of the former, for the latter point geek tragedy Nov 2016 #56
Fair point to make, I didn't compare to Gore until just now. ThirdEye Nov 2016 #67
it's always dangerous after 8 years of a Democratic president. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #75
I honestly believe it cannot be argued successfully either way. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2016 #11
In the spirit of opinion and lessons learned, Warren was our best choice BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #18
It's over... time to work on ending the disaster facing the country. Cattledog Nov 2016 #19
It is... ThirdEye Nov 2016 #49
The bad info is that Bernie would have won. nt WhiteTara Nov 2016 #20
Bernie would have been destroyed calguy Nov 2016 #22
But the racist conman billionaire won. DirkGently Nov 2016 #74
1 OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #222
Dear Skinner, lillypaddle Nov 2016 #23
Second that. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #24
rec 1000 times mcar Nov 2016 #35
Yeah... ThirdEye Nov 2016 #52
God yes. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #105
No kidding. At a minimum polls found 10% of the Sanders supporters would not vote for Hillary still_one Nov 2016 #109
I'm trying to stick to facts and analysis. This isn't a hate thing. Bucky Nov 2016 #197
Facts, yeah right. Feingold lost, republican incumbents won. She also won the popular vote still_one Nov 2016 #211
I just don't think you'll get far by castigating voters we failed to win over Bucky Nov 2016 #214
Yeah, I'd love to be told to get in line or sit down and shut up one more time. MelissaB Nov 2016 #163
This discussion board is called "2016 Postmortem". I'm sad if my arguments annoy you. Bucky Nov 2016 #188
Yes, excellent suggestion! SunSeeker Nov 2016 #192
hypothetical, questionable at best 0rganism Nov 2016 #25
Wrong. Period. mcar Nov 2016 #28
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044 frazzled Nov 2016 #37
This article is spot on. LisaM Nov 2016 #57
1000. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #124
Wrong. Period. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #41
Easy to say at this point, but he couldn't win even with only Dems voting. Coyotl Nov 2016 #42
Exactly.... FarPoint Nov 2016 #44
It's true ThirdEye Nov 2016 #55
Maybe, maybe not. It's only speculation and wishful thinking now. n/t cynatnite Nov 2016 #47
No way. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #51
Yes he would have because millennials that wanted change voted for Trump INdemo Nov 2016 #53
That's right. Ligyron Nov 2016 #146
Nope. Not a chance. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #54
Dream on. He couldn't even beat Hillary in the primaries (oh, I know, they were beaglelover Nov 2016 #59
two words: Marxist Baggage Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #64
I don't disagree. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #65
On Fantasy Island ... but not in real life. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #82
He would have lost. If the polls were wrong about Hillary, then they were wrong about him. grossproffit Nov 2016 #84
NO, his tax increases would have wiped Bernie OUT Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #85
You've not considered health care expense, nor college... Wilms Nov 2016 #103
if you think universal healthcare (single payer, expanded medicare for all, etc) Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #133
Now hang on a second. Wilms Nov 2016 #148
I didnt mean to suggest you held those beliefs, I apologise Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #157
We're good. Wilms Nov 2016 #162
Game over is right. bettyellen Nov 2016 #107
Amen! Sanders had the energy and excitement behind him ErikJ Nov 2016 #90
bullshit. Clinton supporters would have supported Sanders if he was the nominee. The still_one Nov 2016 #92
When someone says .Period. that means they really really mean it. Period. NBachers Nov 2016 #94
The broad strategy is what we lost... sfwriter Nov 2016 #95
That is my thinking also.. n/t secondwind Nov 2016 #96
Bernie was on the rise when his wings got plucked. He would have kept rural WI, MICH, PA blue. zonkers Nov 2016 #97
He couldn't win a primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #154
Nope, he never faced actual opposition so this is fan fiction. bettyellen Nov 2016 #98
We "Democrats" chose our nominee, and we "Democrats" will deal with the outcome. Get over it. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2016 #99
He would have gotten creamed. Tragically, because I supported Now support him, but he would not mahina Nov 2016 #100
Sorry--that's utter nonsense. He couldn't beat Clinton, how could he beat Trump? MADem Nov 2016 #101
Spot on. Beautifully explained lunamagica Nov 2016 #118
Thank you, and those are the parts that are true! R B Garr Nov 2016 #121
There's MUCH more dirt on Sanders, but it serves no real purpose to drag it up. MADem Nov 2016 #131
So, what we had no decent candidate to run? Ligyron Nov 2016 #152
The kibbutz shit ALONE? Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #183
I respectfully disagree SHRED Nov 2016 #104
Nope- taxes, abortion, 30 years and accomplished nothing. bettyellen Nov 2016 #110
I 100% agree Lunabell Nov 2016 #114
Not a chance wysi Nov 2016 #116
Sanders might have won but he also could have lost. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #117
In order for Sanders to run as the DNC nominee, he did not win in the primaries, he would Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #119
But if more candidates had entered and run in the D primary things may have turned out Ligyron Nov 2016 #164
It could also be said if more would have entered there would be less votes for Sanders, Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #182
I doubt it, but, we don't need this now. wisteria Nov 2016 #120
Hello, the primary is over or didn't you get the memo? leftofcool Nov 2016 #123
This is a lesson for the FUTURE. ErikJ Nov 2016 #139
Hello, the election is over too! Time to talk about what went wrong! B Calm Nov 2016 #142
Not if it means ripping the DU community apart. kstewart33 Nov 2016 #239
He would have lost the popular vote AND the EC. DawgHouse Nov 2016 #125
No he wouldn't Period OKNancy Nov 2016 #127
Bullshit. Period. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #130
I love Bernie too, but if he really is Superman, he would have beaten Hillary in the primaries. world wide wally Nov 2016 #137
One thing for certain, Hillary couldn't beat him! B Calm Nov 2016 #138
I agree. This wasn't the year for a Wall Street Democrat. jalan48 Nov 2016 #141
you mean like his protege Teachout won in ny? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #143
I do not know if you are correct or not Lulu KC Nov 2016 #144
Its obvious. Massive electric rallies. Signs everywhere. ErikJ Nov 2016 #145
Not according to Theda Skocpol (Harvardd sociologist/political scientist) deurbano Nov 2016 #150
Neoliberalism is not "pragmatic." DirkGently Nov 2016 #153
I second your motion............. turbinetree Nov 2016 #159
Clinton's baggage was both real and manufactured. DirkGently Nov 2016 #161
Again, I second your motion turbinetree Nov 2016 #231
This was the year of Anti-Establishment & angry people Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #156
Gee, Feingold didn't win, nor did those Swing state Senate Democrats against the still_one Nov 2016 #200
I appreciate your comments Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #219
we gonna rehash this shit here on DU for next four years? Cryptoad Nov 2016 #166
If need be. Hopefully the party will drop the neoliberalist part and B Calm Nov 2016 #169
For at least the next four weeks, anyway. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #179
What a delusional post. duffyduff Nov 2016 #172
Hillary supporters would have supported Sanders if he was the nominal. At least 10%, and by still_one Nov 2016 #180
'Michael Bloomberg would have won' ? BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #181
He would not have treestar Nov 2016 #185
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #187
"Would have" and "might have" are not synonymous. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #189
No, but Biden would have. He is authentic and Pisces Nov 2016 #191
Biden would've been amazing, agreed. I disagree that Sanders couldn't have won black voters over Bucky Nov 2016 #195
Polls also showed Hillary would win. gollygee Nov 2016 #193
Damn and all he had to do was win a fucking primary MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #196
... SidDithers Nov 2016 #198
Is that a serious post? greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #207
This is so delusional I don't know where to begin. Maven Nov 2016 #212
I firmly believe he would have won. TDale313 Nov 2016 #217
If sanders hadn't run and bad mouthed Hillary...she'd be our president today. Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #218
That too lunasun Nov 2016 #228
I agree with you Bucky JonLP24 Nov 2016 #220
Eichenwald dispelled that crap BainsBane Nov 2016 #221
I believe that too be true. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #223
LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP! otohara Nov 2016 #225
I blame Sander's behavior during the primary for our loss...I don't say Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #236
I can't help but think he did it on purpose. JTFrog Nov 2016 #237
He's Gloating - Mission Accomplished otohara Nov 2016 #241
FORGET the polls they were "engineered to be wrong" Historic NY Nov 2016 #227
He couldn't even win a primary. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #232
Take A Look At Bernie's ColoradoCare - Failed 80/20 otohara Nov 2016 #238
I agree with you. This was an "outsider" year. BUT - Vinca Nov 2016 #240
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