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Mc Mike

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75. TPM showed a brexit style flip in candidate victory odds, 9:30 pm, election night.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:04 AM
Nov 2016
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/brexit--2

Now the media is trying to explain the surpise flip of 5 states, all in the orange bald nazi's favor. So they're giving us extremely unlikely particulars to make it seem "sensible". Over a quarter of Hispanics voted for him. Over half of White Women voted for him, 13 % of Black Men voted for him, etc. Statements of ''fact'' that are palpably bull shit.

The electronic vote counting systems are so insecure, at so many points in the process, that it is sickening.

Ken Blackwell diverted Ohio's statewide vote tallying to a private company, owned by repugs, in Chattanooga TN, on election night in '04. The company (SMARTech / Gov Tech) hosted private repug websites, (including the private e-mail servers that 'lost' millions of Congressionally subpoenaed bush admin e-mails between Rove and Gonzales, pertaining to the scandalous firings of 9 US Attorney Generals.) As a result of Blackwell and SMARTech's work, Ohio decided the election in favor of li'l bush, so he 'won' the national election in '04. Blackwell's now working for the dRumpf transition team.

That's at the state level, where all different counties' tabulated results are fed in, to get overall state results. One step lower, all the different district/precinct results for each county are fed into a central county tabulator. The tabulator has code that can be manipulated remotely, or using a thumb drive, or using the tabulator's own terminal. A convicted computer hacker felon named Jeff Dean wrote the code used by 99% of the county central tabulators in the country, used by 4 different voting machine vendors. Jeff Dean is a convicted felon, whose convictions stem from computer hacking into banks. He was an employee of Egil Bud Krogh, the convicted repug party Nixon admin watergate felon who ran the "plumbers unit". Krogh was an Erlichman aide who employed repug operatives G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt to manipulate the '72 elections. The candidate who "won" in 2016 employed repug party Watergate criminals Roger Stone and Paul Manafort.

One step lower, at the district/precinct level, there's a possibility the vote counts can be flipped and switched before they go off to the county's central tabulator. I was a poll worker for the county, the majority inspector of elections, in the district next to mine in the 19th Ward, for 5 elections over a 3 year period. During the '07 General Election, the County's elections manager ordered computer techs to go to the different precincts and use the ES&S Ivotronic voting machines' Master PEB Cartridges to "check the voltage", 2 hours before the polls closed. Both District 3 and District 4's machines were accessed by the county tech. (I still have his business card.) Both districts have a strong Dem voter registration advantage, and both usually record a strong preference for the Dem candidate during every election. But in the '07 final election, both recorded a preference for the repug candidate for Mayor.

After seeing this happen, when I was trained for the '08 General (Final) Election, I asked the County elections expert trainer if we should allow county techs to access our machines, using the Master PEB Cart, near the end of the voting day, if the machines are obviously not having any problems. Boy, did they get unhappy and hot in a hurry.

It was a simple question, I didn't ask it in a snotty manner. But they first tried to say maybe I wasn't even allowed to work inside the polls -- since I was a 19th Ward Dem committeeman, there might be some sort of vague unspecified conflict. I said "Oh, all right" and started to leave the training site, and they said "No, no, we want you to work." (The job is long hours, sucky pay, and they can't get enough personnel to work their polls.) Then when I got home, (it was a Saturday) I had an extremely irate message on my phone from one of the wiseguys who control county elections. I called him back, and he was real mad and agro, asking me several stupid and aggressive questions when all he had to do was tell me my services weren't needed to work the polls. Then on election day, my district had a ton of unusual problems, though the 4 previous elections I worked had gone smoothly. So I dealt with the problems, and wrote all the irregularities down. O'Brien and Flynn from the county didn't send anyone to check our voltage. My speculation is that there was a backdoor to the Ivotronics program, where Check Voltage = Flip Tallied Votes, switch candidate preference totals. And I'd like to point out that the current 2016 'victor' definitely received the wiseguy vote.

The bottom step, in terms of possible vote count security flaws, is the actions of the actual poll workers. In the past, audits of machine results have shown manipulation, where there was a long run of voters who voted for repugs, then several who voted for dems, then another long run of voters who voted for repugs. In this 2016 final election, I worked for Election Protection, at Ward 30, District 1 and 4, a few miles away from my home District. I stayed after the polls finished up and posted their final results tapes outside the polling place, around 8:15 pm. They recorded 60% turn out. Then I went to my voting precinct to see my poll's results. Ward 19, District 28's personnel were still busy inside the polling place, there wasn't a crowd of voters inside, as I could see through the slit windows. I didn't have a county poll watcher's certificate, so couldn't go inside the locked polling location. I waited outside for a half hour, then gave up and went home. I wound up going to see the posted results at 5:30 am the next day, then looking them up on the county website.

My precinct recorded an 81% turn out, 10 to 20 % higher than the 19,4 and 19,3 polls I worked in the past, the 19,1 poll that I voted in for 2 decades, and the 30,1 and 4 districts I just got done 'protecting'. And 31% of the votes in this Dem stronghold poll were for dRUmpf, while only 14 and 19 % backed him in the 2 Ward 30 districts I worked at.

So, I don't allege any felony election fraud was committed by the poll workers in 19, 28. But it would be easy enough to verify, by looking at audited machine results, the district register, the signed voter cards. I'm on the record, with the Ward 30 Chair, with the 30, 1 Dem committeman, with the former Ward 19 chair I served under (2 of whose relatives served in statewide offices), with the 5 election protection lawyers and observers I interacted with, with 3 of my Dem party-backing union officials, with the 2 official poll watchers from the Democratic Party. Every statement I made can be easily verified, all those local Dem honchos know who and what I am and what I did. I'm willing to swear an oath and sign a deposition about all the particulars I related above.

The issue is this: There are a lot of dem bigshots and honchos around this site. BUT, there is a disconnect between the 'important' dems who post here, and the dems who are 'important' in the physical area I live in, in Western PA, which is in one of the states that improbably 'flipped'. As usual, after I put in work on an election, all the area's bigshots immediately stop communicating with me, until they need me again in 2 or 4 years. The official campaigns fold up and disappear, the Dem-backing labor elements go back to not communicating with rank and filers like me, the Dem party local officials go back to whatever they're usually doing, the massive Election Protection coalition's groups of activist lawyers, social justice orgs, civil rights orgs, labor orgs go back to their standard radio silence. There will be no after-action report issued, there will be no post election meeting to offer a post mortem analysis.

It sure would be easy to verify that everything was above board in my Dem stronghold voting district. But while I have the will, I lack the authority, credentials, portfolio, or support to do so.

Of course, I'm willing to entertain any suggestions from this site's Dem bigshots.
Please K&R....as I think this is very important information FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #1
Comparing 2004 and 2016: Coyotl Nov 2016 #100
Maybe it was. But it was up to Clinton and Obama to secure the vote. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #2
Each state is responsible for the voting in their state. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #24
She won the popular vote. By a margin that may reach 2 million. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #82
Her margin is now bigger than the winning margins for John Kennedy and Richard Nixon. Sunlei Nov 2016 #85
I think the election was meddled with by russia and comey. boston bean Nov 2016 #3
I think we are fucked no matter what the screens show dhol82 Nov 2016 #4
True that I was surprised how fast that was.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #9
It is a sickening prospect, but what to do? MoonRiver Nov 2016 #5
Many states did change their machines after 2000.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #8
K&R gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #6
Went aren't democrats doing anything about this? Control-Z Nov 2016 #7
There are a lot of reasons why they aren't doing anything... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #11
Seriously? cilla4progress Nov 2016 #40
This is what I'm saying cilla4progress Nov 2016 #38
No, we don't deserve it. Control-Z Nov 2016 #64
"Which institutions? Which leaders?" Obviously it would be the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #101
The whole damn thing stinks. There will be books written about it. oasis Nov 2016 #10
I do believe that it is strange on how "they" say FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #15
Add one more to the "his" story books. oasis Nov 2016 #20
Russian hackers surgically manipulated the results, making Karl Rove and Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #12
That would not surprise me in the least ailsagirl Nov 2016 #17
Surely our 17 federal intelligence agencies ... GeorgeGist Nov 2016 #13
Perhaps.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #22
Especially the FBI pandr32 Nov 2016 #29
I have a feeling FrenchieCat was being sarcastic. I doubt it as well. C Moon Nov 2016 #51
You mean the FBI and the other agencies that helped him pnwmom Nov 2016 #69
TRUMP IS A CROOK. Somehow the election was stolen. Will we ever know the truth? trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #14
Most likely not.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #21
K & R. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #16
Yep-- that kind of garbage ailsagirl Nov 2016 #18
KNR Lucinda Nov 2016 #19
I need another option. barbtries Nov 2016 #23
Well, I'll tell you that I don't normally wear a tin foil hat.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #26
yes, yes. barbtries Nov 2016 #70
I'm one who still ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #25
And then of course DU went down.....for an entire week! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #27
It was to keep us from being able to coalesce pandr32 Nov 2016 #31
I certainly needed it....especially to read the analysis of the returns as it was happening FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #33
I have felt from the start the DU hack was part of a multi-prong attack on the election. What can chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #104
Yes that was my first thought too when I heard DU was hacked. Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #109
I'm 100% cilla4progress Nov 2016 #41
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. nt BootinUp Nov 2016 #28
The real struggle, then .. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #92
I am absolutely convinced Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #30
No options for: Possible, with no further comment. or Not Enough Information. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #32
Ok....I did that FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #35
Thank you! Lil Missy Nov 2016 #39
can we not become like Freepers and Breitbart types...people who make up their own facts ericson00 Nov 2016 #34
Can we not tell other people what to do and how to think, FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #37
I hear what you're saying .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #42
KnR, FrenchieCat Hekate Nov 2016 #36
I'll never believe anything else. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #43
I completely agree.. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #44
Why even try anymore? MontanaMama Nov 2016 #45
Soft coup--screwing with the numbers within the MOE. nt MADem Nov 2016 #46
Agree.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #49
Greg Palast has been talking about this. dflprincess Nov 2016 #47
KnR..... alittlelark Nov 2016 #48
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Nov 2016 #50
K&R radical noodle Nov 2016 #52
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #53
Thank you for this excellent post! BadGimp Nov 2016 #54
K&R lunamagica Nov 2016 #55
Merci beaucoup Ellipsis Nov 2016 #56
True or not, your research to back it up is impressive! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #57
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #58
Scariest thing, for me anyway, madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #59
Well i've been feeling that for a week and yes, my gut is pretty reliable... liberalla Nov 2016 #60
Kick PinkTiger Nov 2016 #61
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2016 #62
Greg Palast says it WAS stolen and here's how: Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #63
Thank you for the additional information! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #65
that was my gut feeling from the get go! sherlocksistah Nov 2016 #90
K&R and bookmarked to go over later. R B Garr Nov 2016 #66
Nothing Done Bear Creek Nov 2016 #67
Something Strange? kebob Nov 2016 #68
k and r...nt Stuart G Nov 2016 #71
Excellent research, thanks!! My only tavernier Nov 2016 #72
I question this too ShakeWell Nov 2016 #103
DT knew if he cried Rigged Rigged beforehand & got Dems to denounce that, they couldn't cry the same Overseas Nov 2016 #110
Possible? LP2K12 Nov 2016 #73
The exit polls were wrong on Kerry also, and there were issues in Ohio. wisteria Nov 2016 #74
TPM showed a brexit style flip in candidate victory odds, 9:30 pm, election night. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #75
I'm the person who posted the curious NC results which FrenchieCat reposted. mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #76
Thank your for the comment that I had read in another post.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #102
kick Stuart G Nov 2016 #77
Kick Gin Nov 2016 #78
I felt that way during the election returns get the red out Nov 2016 #79
K and R panader0 Nov 2016 #80
I always figured heaven05 Nov 2016 #81
Motive, opportunity, willingness. byronius Nov 2016 #83
what bothered me the most was the 90,000 detroit ballots where president choice was left blank. Sunlei Nov 2016 #84
I know... LP2K12 Nov 2016 #86
could have been a trend of 'protest non-vote', however the 90k number was way to high, IMO Sunlei Nov 2016 #87
K&R x1000 ShakeWell Nov 2016 #88
Look at the people Trump has with him. There is a dearth honestly and respect for fairness, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #89
K&r Chimichurri Nov 2016 #91
K & R Raastan Nov 2016 #93
Not surprising that 3 of those 4 states have Republican governors. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #94
Other: It was the tip of the ice berg. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #95
Okay then, was D.U hacked? nolabels Nov 2016 #96
My husband is so tired of me saying, "There's something wrong" Lindsea Nov 2016 #97
I'm with you ShakeWell Nov 2016 #106
Our PA county is a bellweather for the state. PADemD Nov 2016 #98
I had a Clinton/Kaine sign and was afraid to put it in my front yard. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #108
So what can we do about it? world wide wally Nov 2016 #99
I agree. K&R, n/t ms liberty Nov 2016 #105
Thus far an overwhelming majority believes FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #107
K&R. Sad we don't have the courage to admit the faults in our elections. Overseas Nov 2016 #111
Agreed! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #112
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