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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Switch Jill Stein votes to Clinton, and just half of Gary Johnson votes, and here's what you get: [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)85. So we agree Hillary stayed in way past viability in 2008.
I don't know how that is "out of context," as you suggested Sanders was bad for staying in to increase his influence, but seem to be arguing it was okay for Clinton for reasons you don't mention. But it's a simple historical fact Clinton stayed in the 2008 race beyond the mathematical possibility of her winning and I note you don't try to contradict that basic truth.
Shifting gears to your complaint about independents, blaming independents is an old canard that's false for reasons previously mentioned. You don't own independent votes on the theory that people could have or should have voted for your candidate. They didn't want to vote for your candidate, and could just as easily stayed home, left it blank, or voted the other way. It's a ridiculous fallacy from the beginning.
Besides that, though, voter turnout was what killed Clinton. She pulled some six million fewer votes than Obama, and did not stimulate black and Latino voters to the same degree.
We're always going to have independents, and you can't do anything to change that by complaining about them. But you can pull MORE VOTES across the country with a candidate that inspires people.
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Switch Jill Stein votes to Clinton, and just half of Gary Johnson votes, and here's what you get: [View all]
scheming daemons
Nov 2016
OP
They attacked. And don't you forget it. They attacked and blew the whole fucking thing up!
boston bean
Nov 2016
#4
Your suggestion got us dubya and trump. Time to dump those voters who are spoilers
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#43
I think part of the problem is that the corporate media has been "defining" the Clintons for years.
guillaumeb
Nov 2016
#94
There was plenty of substance in those responses. And your same empty rhetoric was used
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#41
Your statement is not even true and it is out of context. But that is the hallmark
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#73
This is self-serving and out of context again, the hallmark of the Clinton bashers.
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#81
This same tired rhetoric was used about Al Gore. He was picked to death, including
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#91
Oh, absolutely correct that it was the Bush bro Florida connection and the Supremes
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#99
Great points. We know that Obama is a tough act to follow and is almost a once-in-a-lifetime
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#105
Yeah Stein really convinced me breaking bread with Putin and Trumps man Flynn in Russia....
Historic NY
Nov 2016
#38
Ah, but they bask in the glow of the pure fire of their anger as it burns down advances made....
Hekate
Nov 2016
#6
To those who voted third party instead of Clinton because of principles I say....
hrmjustin
Nov 2016
#7
It is not ragging on someone to notice that they have no clear path to victory.
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#78
I was 9 then, but in university we studied the 2000 elections and I see so much "Nader as spoiler"
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#65
I know only 4 people here in London who voted Trump. All 4 voted against Hillary
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#90
The Average US-dwelling American has no idea how much the US foreign policy with the constant
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#96
I would blame ALL the people who didn't vote for her, not just 3rd party voters.
jmg257
Nov 2016
#24
Let's not forget that they're even further to the right of Republicans on the Economy.
HughBeaumont
Nov 2016
#56
Meh. It's the hundreds of thousands of registered Democrats that didn't bother to vote that we
progressoid
Nov 2016
#104