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In reply to the discussion: The first woman EVER was running, and Trump got 42% of the female vote; abortion issue to blame? [View all]CrispyQ
(36,437 posts)30. And trying to reach out to zealots who equate abortion with murder is a winning strategy?
That will only weaken the resolve of dems to support a woman's right to choose. They will frame the debate to get the votes of unreasonable zealots & next thing you know they are backing off legislation, too, for fear it might offend the goddamned zealots. Fine. Go with that. This is only one of the reasons I'm no longer a dem. They don't know how to draw a line in the sand & say, "We're not crossing that."
But thank you for your concern, since you think it's already a settle issue.
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The first woman EVER was running, and Trump got 42% of the female vote; abortion issue to blame? [View all]
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
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Evangelicals and orthodox women consistently vote 45% conservative, even against the E.R.A.
TheBlackAdder
Nov 2016
#45
They didn't "vote against" the ERA. State legislatures dominated by white males,
duffyduff
Nov 2016
#57
I want to hear other's ideas (if they agree it's an issue for us). But personal opinion...
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#5
Yet so many of them who think abortion is murder have no problem with the death penalty or war
uppityperson
Nov 2016
#10
Abortion rarely came up during this campaign, don't see it as an issue over the others. But what
uppityperson
Nov 2016
#4
You are correct, it barely came up. But how many immediately had their minds made up because of it?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#7
Trump worked his ass off while Clinton did little campaigning? He saw people and was "decisive"?
uppityperson
Nov 2016
#72
Agreed. If anything, everyone seems intent on losing even more in the future. WTF. nt
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#79
That's exactly what I'm saying; yet I bet a pro-choice stance would have cost him millions of votes.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#13
So apparently you think we should write those millions of potential votes off?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#14
There are 17 posts in this thread; show me the one that says we should capitulate on choice.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#18
Sounds like a winning argument. Worked well this year. And 2014. And 2012. And 2010.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#20
Lots of racists voted for Trump...maybe we should try something else on the civil rights thing. nt
LexVegas
Nov 2016
#21
4 brutal elections in a row, & another poster that suspiciously wants to change nothing; interesting
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#22
Lots of homophobes voted for Trump...we should rethink the gay marriage thing. nt
LexVegas
Nov 2016
#23
Let me know your preferred candidates in the future, so I can place some opposite bets in Vegas :)
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#24
Lots of xenophobes voted for Trump...may we should jettison the Muslims, huh? nt
LexVegas
Nov 2016
#25
You ever seen the Tin Cup scene where Kevin Costner's character keeps hitting it in the water?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#37
And trying to reach out to zealots who equate abortion with murder is a winning strategy?
CrispyQ
Nov 2016
#30
What's interesting is that you had a reasonable point, and it got completely lost in your approach.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#33
Well, I don't think your point is reasonable in the least & your approach got lost in stating that
CrispyQ
Nov 2016
#39
Reframe it? You mean tell the truth? B/c there is an awful lot of misinformation out there about ab
AgadorSparticus
Nov 2016
#54
No one said to anything close to backing off the abortion or gun issues. Good grief.
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#26
Yep, and Trump only lost by 6 points among white women with college degrees, according to exit polls
Garrett78
Nov 2016
#85
We disagree, but you make good points; thanks for the thoughtful response. nt
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#28
I thought for sure we'd finally get it in 2009 but it wasn't even brought up.
yeoman6987
Nov 2016
#51
Both my MIL and FIL in PA voted for Trump due to their pro-life beliefs. I agree that we don't
kelly1mm
Nov 2016
#32
The Democratic position is that it is between a woman and her doctor, and no one elses business
still_one
Nov 2016
#34
The "middle" is not the issue. It is the right-wing mindset. It cannot change. n/t
duffyduff
Nov 2016
#64
It's more than this; it's deep-rooted conflict regarding the role of women...
Barack_America
Nov 2016
#61
My son in law told me that his mother initially told him that she planned to vote ...
spin
Nov 2016
#67
Women can be gun-humping, xenophobic, high school dropout, racist assholes too, ya know
NickB79
Nov 2016
#74
Deeper? Most of DU is telling me race is the ONLY thing that mattered in this election.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#81
"The way you casually suggest doing away with the rights of the majority of Democratic voters"
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#83
There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that abortion was a major issue.
Statistical
Nov 2016
#87