2016 Postmortem

OhioBlue

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63. Framing has everything to do with the issue

Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:38 AM

Nov 2016

There may be some that are unreachable, but that isn't our target audience. There are many in the middle. The overall message on abortion from the anti-choice groups has been winning. George HW Bush was pro-choice before he was anit-choice, even Trump was in the pro-choice camp before he ran.

This isn't an issue that can be changed by one candidate or in one election cycle. The right has been working for decades to frame their message, target their electorate and hone their messages. We need to do better and not give up on our messages.

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The first woman EVER was running, and Trump got 42% of the female vote; abortion issue to blame? [View all] MadDAsHell Nov 2016 OP

Yes, women voted in large for Clinton. Not even close. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #1

Evangelicals and orthodox women consistently vote 45% conservative, even against the E.R.A. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #45

They didn't "vote against" the ERA. State legislatures dominated by white males, duffyduff Nov 2016 #57

Maybe some but not all to blame.... vi5 Nov 2016 #2

What is your suggestion? dhol82 Nov 2016 #3

I want to hear other's ideas (if they agree it's an issue for us). But personal opinion... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #5

Yet so many of them who think abortion is murder have no problem with the death penalty or war uppityperson Nov 2016 #10

Wasn't abortion. I knew a lot of independant women who were for Trump. hollowdweller Nov 2016 #41

Abortion rarely came up during this campaign, don't see it as an issue over the others. But what uppityperson Nov 2016 #4

You are correct, it barely came up. But how many immediately had their minds made up because of it? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #7

Too fucking bad. elehhhhna Nov 2016 #38

But these women also voted for PBO so why turn their back on HRC? katsy Nov 2016 #78

It had zero to do with abortion, pro or con. BlueStreak Nov 2016 #68

Trump worked his ass off while Clinton did little campaigning? He saw people and was "decisive"? uppityperson Nov 2016 #72

I said his campaigning was decisive. BlueStreak Nov 2016 #73

Sinking to insults means the discussion is over. uppityperson Nov 2016 #75

Agreed. If anything, everyone seems intent on losing even more in the future. WTF. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #79

Lots of group think here BlueStreak Nov 2016 #88

The 30 year slander of hillary Cosmocat Nov 2016 #6

Romney got 44% of the female vote NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #8

That's exactly what I'm saying; yet I bet a pro-choice stance would have cost him millions of votes. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #13

Trump never would have won the primaries NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #15

Good question. I think the other stumbling block is guns. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #9

What the fuck? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #11

Good fucking grief, do I miss unrec! CrispyQ Nov 2016 #12

So apparently you think we should write those millions of potential votes off? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #14

Yes. If it means capitulating on choice, then absolutely, yes. Write them off. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #16

There are 17 posts in this thread; show me the one that says we should capitulate on choice. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #18

The most important decision a woman can make, isn't yours. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #19

Sounds like a winning argument. Worked well this year. And 2014. And 2012. And 2010. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #20

Lots of racists voted for Trump...maybe we should try something else on the civil rights thing. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #21

4 brutal elections in a row, & another poster that suspiciously wants to change nothing; interesting MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #22

Lots of homophobes voted for Trump...we should rethink the gay marriage thing. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #23

Let me know your preferred candidates in the future, so I can place some opposite bets in Vegas :) MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #24

Lots of xenophobes voted for Trump...may we should jettison the Muslims, huh? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #25

You ever seen the Tin Cup scene where Kevin Costner's character keeps hitting it in the water? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #37

How many recs you got on this dogshit OP? LexVegas Nov 2016 #40

And trying to reach out to zealots who equate abortion with murder is a winning strategy? CrispyQ Nov 2016 #30

What's interesting is that you had a reasonable point, and it got completely lost in your approach. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #33

Well, I don't think your point is reasonable in the least & your approach got lost in stating that CrispyQ Nov 2016 #39

Reframe it? You mean tell the truth? B/c there is an awful lot of misinformation out there about ab AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #54

No one said to anything close to backing off the abortion or gun issues. Good grief. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #26

Trump received a majority of votes from WHITE women. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #17

Yep, and Trump only lost by 6 points among white women with college degrees, according to exit polls Garrett78 Nov 2016 #85

Not the issue zipplewrath Nov 2016 #27

We disagree, but you make good points; thanks for the thoughtful response. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #28

why has the Equal Rights Amendment KT2000 Nov 2016 #29

Exactly! And beautifully stated! athena Nov 2016 #35

thanks - I expected KT2000 Nov 2016 #42

great post djsunyc Nov 2016 #60

I thought for sure we'd finally get it in 2009 but it wasn't even brought up. yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #51

How old are you? The ERA has been a nonstarter for nearly 35 YEARS. duffyduff Nov 2016 #59

Old enough to have seen KT2000 Nov 2016 #66

hmm Budee Nov 2016 #65

No one said it is not KT2000 Nov 2016 #69

Some women just didn't like Hillary virgogal Nov 2016 #31

Both my MIL and FIL in PA voted for Trump due to their pro-life beliefs. I agree that we don't kelly1mm Nov 2016 #32

Well, Every Position RobinA Nov 2016 #50

The Democratic position is that it is between a woman and her doctor, and no one elses business still_one Nov 2016 #34

Nope Spider Jerusalem Nov 2016 #36

That's not uncommon. davidn3600 Nov 2016 #43

Feminists are not surprised. athena Nov 2016 #44

Oh please don't send him there, lol. JTFrog Nov 2016 #62

The answer is pretty obvious to me Spider Jerusalem Nov 2016 #48

I think it had more to do with Islamophobia and securing the border. .99center Nov 2016 #46

Seriously... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2016 #47

Yes, I agree with you that we need to better frame the subject OhioBlue Nov 2016 #49

Framing has nothing to do with it. You cannot change their mindset. duffyduff Nov 2016 #56

I know some who are mad because some people say "Happy Holidays." raging moderate Nov 2016 #58

Framing has everything to do with the issue OhioBlue Nov 2016 #63

The "middle" is not the issue. It is the right-wing mindset. It cannot change. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #64

this is truth, they will NEVER change Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #86

it's mostly white women and it's more about race . JI7 Nov 2016 #52

Abortion or the Comey letter? emulatorloo Nov 2016 #53

Abortion and the USSC duffyduff Nov 2016 #55

It's more than this; it's deep-rooted conflict regarding the role of women... Barack_America Nov 2016 #61

My son in law told me that his mother initially told him that she planned to vote ... spin Nov 2016 #67

I am against in anyway backing down from a Pro-Choice position LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #70

Too Fucking Bad Megahurtz Nov 2016 #71

Yes, 4 brutal election losses in a row are "too bad." nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #80

Women can be gun-humping, xenophobic, high school dropout, racist assholes too, ya know NickB79 Nov 2016 #74

Deeper? Most of DU is telling me race is the ONLY thing that mattered in this election. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #81

This post liquid diamond Nov 2016 #76

I respect that you are trying to build a bridge RelativelyJones Nov 2016 #77

My, you're awfully anxious to get rid of women's rights BainsBane Nov 2016 #82

"The way you casually suggest doing away with the rights of the majority of Democratic voters" MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #83

Is your OP not about winning over the pro-life voter? BainsBane Nov 2016 #84

There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that abortion was a major issue. Statistical Nov 2016 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Nov 2016 #89