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Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
22. Ok, I'll bite...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
Nov 2016

I had a problem with HRC's emails, the possibility of shady dealings between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation, her connections to Wall Street & corporate big wigs, her support for corporate prisons to incarcerate the "super-predators", her calling the shots at the DNC to the detriment of her primary opponents, the presumption that it was simply "her turn" and lesser Democrats should step aside... I am what became labeled as a "Bernie Bro", and was attacked by many as being everything that I know I am not ("misogynist" and "closet republican" come to mind...). And yet, despite being anti-corporate and wanting to push for Jill Stein, I knew that living in a swing state made my vote far more important than it might have been had I lived in CA or NY. So I told my conscience to go to hell and voted for a candidate that I truly did not support (HRC) because I was concerned that the Orange Menace might actually win my state...

Well, Orange Julius Caesar did win my state, and won the election thanks to our antiquated Electoral College. And I don't feel good bout it. I don't believe I did anything to harm Hillary's chances, I just supported someone else in the primaries. And some of my worst fears/concerns have been validated (the DWS emails regarding taking Bernie out, Donna Brazile providing Team Hillary with debate questions before the fact, etc.). That doesn't mean I'm glad Hillary lost, because in fact I'm pissed off like millions of other people. But I do still hold firm in my belief that Bernie could have beaten Trump, and beaten him badly. It's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it, right or wrong.

If any good can come from this, I hope it is that we need to ensure that all voices are given an equal chance to be heard during the primaries, and that the DNC doesn't put their thumb on the scale in favor of one candidate over others. I hope that progressive voices speak up and speak out, and steer the party in a more progressive, less corporate direction. All of those Trump voters who had voted Obam in 2008 & 2012 will looking for real change in 4 years, and either they will vote Democrat or stay home. We need to give them a reason - and hope - to come to the polls and vote Democrat in 2020. Who it will be, I don't know. I want new blood, and I want diverse choices - gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, young/old, - and I want progressive policies to be presented & implemented.

I've held my tongue for months in accordance with DU guidelines. I've been a team player. But in my heart, I knew I was right all along. I wish I wasn't (WRT electability of HRC vs Trump). But I'm willing to work for a better tomorrow. I hope everyone else is.

Their desire for ratings and a horse race treestar Nov 2016 #1
While it's true the media just went for ratings, the root cause was nailed by MM months before ... Pluvious Nov 2016 #15
MSNBC was the worst in the beginning stages of his campaign. Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #2
I agree. LisaL Nov 2016 #3
I agree that this was probably the largest single factor etherealtruth Nov 2016 #4
I think just showing Trump's ignorance, racism, greed, lies, etc., should have been enough. Hoyt Nov 2016 #5
The media supposed to report. LisaL Nov 2016 #6
If people had not wanted to hear that stuff, only FOX and Brietbart would have been running it. Hoyt Nov 2016 #7
all good points... but who was pushing emails here? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #9
Some presumably were Bernie bros or green party voters. LisaL Nov 2016 #10
Ok, I'll bite... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #22
Thank you for your honesty and your integrity in casting your vote. lapucelle Nov 2016 #35
Thanks, I'll take a look... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #41
They lied that HRC was not talking policy, they admitted they were so overwhelmed by Trumps lies bettyellen Nov 2016 #11
And instead of claiming that Comey story was nothing but rumors and innuendo, they went on and on LisaL Nov 2016 #12
they destroyed Hillary Clinton-- was that an accident? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #8
Trump was reportedly making them shitloads of money. LisaL Nov 2016 #13
is there any hard data on the idea that he made profits for them? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #18
Lots of money (approaching a billion for CNN alone) out of presidential campaign. LisaL Nov 2016 #20
Thanks. A really weird and sick dynamic at play. Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #24
This here is a great article that pretty much sums it up. LisaL Nov 2016 #27
How was 99.9% of newspapers endorsing Clinton, many owning TV news outlets, destroying her? Hoyt Nov 2016 #14
We are not talking about newspapers here. LisaL Nov 2016 #17
Media I watched showed him mocking disabled, trashing Black Lives Matter and Hoyt Nov 2016 #21
Here is a good article explaining it all much better than I ever could. LisaL Nov 2016 #25
Trump being on TV 24/7 should have destroyed him, except white wingers loved it Hoyt Nov 2016 #29
There is no such thing as bad publicity. Especially when one is a reality show host. LisaL Nov 2016 #30
Calling for deportation of Mexicans, mocking disabled, etc., would normally be bad publicity. Hoyt Nov 2016 #38
Chris Matthews was drooling over Kellyanne Conway earlier this week lapucelle Nov 2016 #36
i have been saying the teevee gnewz is the enemy for YEARS. the ENEMY. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #16
sure seems that way... but why? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #19
Trump was extremely profitable for cable news. LisaL Nov 2016 #26
I couldn't possibly agree more with the OP world wide wally Nov 2016 #23
They did indeed ignore hundreds of drumph's lies BSdetect Nov 2016 #28
No problem... that's what I'm talking about Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #39
Greed. madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #31
how can we change that? It's a huge obstacle to us, since corporations that run these Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #40
i'm not sure i agree with this Calista241 Nov 2016 #32
Honestly, it wouldn't have made a difference.... vi5 Nov 2016 #33
yes, you're right on those points... the dynamic was complicated Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #34
I still don't think so... vi5 Nov 2016 #37
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