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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Steve Kornacki just reported on MSNBC that the PA vote count difference between Trump and Hillary [View all]NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)31. There was a newspaper consortium that later did several of their own recounts
I believe. According to their methodology, Gore would have won 4 out of 5 of the different methods.
from wikipedia:
Florida Ballot Project recounts[edit]
The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major United States news organizations, conducted the Florida Ballot Project, a comprehensive review of 175,010 ballots that were collected from the entire state, not just the disputed counties that were recounted.[52] These ballots contained undervotes (votes with no choice made for president) and overvotes (votes made with more than one choice marked).
The project's goal was to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used in the voting process, including how different systems correlated with voter mistakes. The total number of undervotes and overvotes in Florida amounted to 3% of all votes cast in the state. The review's findings were reported in the media during the week after November 12, 2001, by the organizations that funded the recount: Associated Press, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The St. Petersburg Times, The Palm Beach Post and Tribune Publishing, which included the Los Angeles Times, South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Orlando Sentinel and Chicago Tribune.[53][54] The NORC concluded that if the disputes over the validity of all the ballots statewide in question had been consistently resolved and any uniform standard applied, the electoral result would have been reversed and Gore would have won by 107115 votes if only two of the three coders had to agree on the ballot. When counting ballots wherein all three coders agreed, Gore would have won the most restrictive scenario by 127 votes and Bush would have won the most inclusive scenario by 110 votes. Inclusive in media reporting likely refers to including the undervotes (only) as these people were then included in the vote. Whether overvotes were truly nullified in counts is not known.[55]
Subsequent analyses cast further doubt on conclusions that Bush would likely still have won had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened. An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that after a recount of all uncounted votes using any standard (inclusive, strict, statewide or county by county), Gore would have been the victor.[56] Such a statewide review including all uncounted votes was a real possibility, as Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis, whom the Florida Supreme Court had assigned to oversee the statewide recount, had scheduled a hearing for December 13 (mooted by the U.S. Supreme Court's final ruling on the 12th) to consider the question of including overvotes. Subsequent statements by Lewis and internal court documents support the likelihood that overvotes would have been included in the recount.[57] Florida State University professor of public policy Lance deHaven-Smith observed that, even considering only undervotes, "under any of the five most reasonable interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court ruling, Gore does, in fact, more than make up the deficit".[58] Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's analysis of the NORC study and media coverage of it supports these interpretations and criticizes the coverage of the study by media outlets such as the New York Times and the other media consortium members.[54]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount
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Steve Kornacki just reported on MSNBC that the PA vote count difference between Trump and Hillary [View all]
politicaljunkie41910
Dec 2016
OP
If I recall correctly the original release date of the book was September 11, 2001 or shortly
rzemanfl
Dec 2016
#26
here is your answer (Bush won if only the 4 counties were recounted, Gore maybe would
Grey Lemercier
Dec 2016
#30
There was a newspaper consortium that later did several of their own recounts
NewJeffCT
Dec 2016
#31
There was no provision in Florida's state constitution for a statewide recount
Samantha
Dec 2016
#59
It was reported that Gore would've won under a couple scenarios but report released on 9-12-01
SharonAnn
Dec 2016
#45
+1, fuck em... 99.5% of them with the AR-15s would pee on themselves straight up if it came
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#40
As a veteran I learned a long time ago that some things are worth fighting for.
politicaljunkie41910
Dec 2016
#16
Yes, no doubt... most of the Trumps Band Of Bigots are punks at best.. they would pee on themselves
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#39
Stop asking such a stupid question. IF Hillary's EC votes topped Rumps, SHE WOULD BE PRESIDENT
trueblue2007
Dec 2016
#43
I say let the games begin. Just one question: just how would a civil war play out?
YOHABLO
Dec 2016
#47
The uncounted and uncertified votes were counted and reported as of this morning.
politicaljunkie41910
Dec 2016
#20
I just updated my earlier message.The vote count in PA reduced Trump's lead by 28,856 down to 46,978
politicaljunkie41910
Dec 2016
#5
I don't know how to do it, but someone needs to come out with a big headline:
Baitball Blogger
Dec 2016
#28
Realistically speaking: If all recounts end up giving HRC the lead, will she end up President Elect?
Blaukraut
Dec 2016
#49
If the recounts are finished before the election is certified for each state involved
andym
Dec 2016
#52