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NewJeffCT

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31. There was a newspaper consortium that later did several of their own recounts
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:55 PM
Dec 2016

I believe. According to their methodology, Gore would have won 4 out of 5 of the different methods.

from wikipedia:

Florida Ballot Project recounts[edit]
The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, sponsored by a consortium of major United States news organizations, conducted the Florida Ballot Project, a comprehensive review of 175,010 ballots that were collected from the entire state, not just the disputed counties that were recounted.[52] These ballots contained undervotes (votes with no choice made for president) and overvotes (votes made with more than one choice marked).

The project's goal was to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used in the voting process, including how different systems correlated with voter mistakes. The total number of undervotes and overvotes in Florida amounted to 3% of all votes cast in the state. The review's findings were reported in the media during the week after November 12, 2001, by the organizations that funded the recount: Associated Press, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The St. Petersburg Times, The Palm Beach Post and Tribune Publishing, which included the Los Angeles Times, South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Orlando Sentinel and Chicago Tribune.[53][54] The NORC concluded that if the disputes over the validity of all the ballots statewide in question had been consistently resolved and any uniform standard applied, the electoral result would have been reversed and Gore would have won by 107–115 votes if only two of the three coders had to agree on the ballot. When counting ballots wherein all three coders agreed, Gore would have won the most restrictive scenario by 127 votes and Bush would have won the most inclusive scenario by 110 votes. Inclusive in media reporting likely refers to including the undervotes (only) as these people were then included in the vote. Whether overvotes were truly nullified in counts is not known.[55]

Subsequent analyses cast further doubt on conclusions that Bush would likely still have won had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened. An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that after a recount of all uncounted votes using any standard (inclusive, strict, statewide or county by county), Gore would have been the victor.[56] Such a statewide review including all uncounted votes was a real possibility, as Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis, whom the Florida Supreme Court had assigned to oversee the statewide recount, had scheduled a hearing for December 13 (mooted by the U.S. Supreme Court's final ruling on the 12th) to consider the question of including overvotes. Subsequent statements by Lewis and internal court documents support the likelihood that overvotes would have been included in the recount.[57] Florida State University professor of public policy Lance deHaven-Smith observed that, even considering only undervotes, "under any of the five most reasonable interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court ruling, Gore does, in fact, more than make up the deficit".[58] Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's analysis of the NORC study and media coverage of it supports these interpretations and criticizes the coverage of the study by media outlets such as the New York Times and the other media consortium members.[54]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount
Thanks for posting this developing story. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #1
We were awaiting these votes and expecting this result from Philidelphia. Coyotl Dec 2016 #53
Clinton Could Overtake Trump, And Media Won't Report It SoCalMusicLover Dec 2016 #2
if votes overturned the election do you really okieinpain Dec 2016 #4
Did That Happen In 2000? SoCalMusicLover Dec 2016 #6
+1 n/t okieinpain Dec 2016 #8
I thought the media consortium reported that... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #12
If I recall correctly the original release date of the book was September 11, 2001 or shortly rzemanfl Dec 2016 #26
correct (NT) The Wizard Dec 2016 #41
here is your answer (Bush won if only the 4 counties were recounted, Gore maybe would Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #30
There was a newspaper consortium that later did several of their own recounts NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #31
thats what I just linked to, the consortium recount Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #32
There was no provision in Florida's state constitution for a statewide recount Samantha Dec 2016 #59
thank you SO much for that cogent, detailed reply Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #61
I am glad to have been of help Samantha Dec 2016 #64
I too want to thank you for this excellent response. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #62
You are very welcome (eom) Samantha Dec 2016 #65
I would want to see Hillary in Office. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #25
Nothing is set until all the votes are certified. Right?... The Wielding Truth Dec 2016 #50
Here's the thing Bettie Dec 2016 #34
It was reported that Gore would've won under a couple scenarios but report released on 9-12-01 SharonAnn Dec 2016 #45
Coincidence SoCalMusicLover Dec 2016 #46
At this point I don't even care about a civil war. world wide wally Dec 2016 #7
lol. n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #9
+1, fuck em... 99.5% of them with the AR-15s would pee on themselves straight up if it came uponit7771 Dec 2016 #40
Civil war MFM008 Dec 2016 #14
As a veteran I learned a long time ago that some things are worth fighting for. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #16
You may have a good point. triron Dec 2016 #18
i was just saying. lol, but i would follow you into hell. n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #22
I dont think so. If it was determined that Hillary actually INdemo Dec 2016 #33
If she won, murielm99 Dec 2016 #37
Yes, no doubt... most of the Trumps Band Of Bigots are punks at best.. they would pee on themselves uponit7771 Dec 2016 #39
Stop asking such a stupid question. IF Hillary's EC votes topped Rumps, SHE WOULD BE PRESIDENT trueblue2007 Dec 2016 #43
my question is not actually stupid. okieinpain Dec 2016 #66
I say let the games begin. Just one question: just how would a civil war play out? YOHABLO Dec 2016 #47
Well Hell DK504 Dec 2016 #13
The uncounted and uncertified votes were counted and reported as of this morning. politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #20
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #38
The newspapers would-- remember, they ALL endorsed HRC ailsagirl Dec 2016 #44
im waiting to hear about someone committing okieinpain Dec 2016 #3
I just updated my earlier message.The vote count in PA reduced Trump's lead by 28,856 down to 46,978 politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #5
This was reported here this morning red dog 1 Dec 2016 #10
It's About Time we Steal One from Them! I Don't Want to feel the Trump Burn! mitty14u2 Dec 2016 #11
We're not stealing anything. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #27
trump trumped TeddyBear 1 Dec 2016 #15
WTF mitty14u2 Dec 2016 #21
Sounds like what a loser would say Generic Brad Dec 2016 #29
They do love their hyperbole. n/t Beartracks Dec 2016 #56
hmmm....this is a wtf.... dhill926 Dec 2016 #36
Maybe they are worried. andym Dec 2016 #51
when did the PA recount start? gejohnston Dec 2016 #17
hasn't triron Dec 2016 #19
thought so. gejohnston Dec 2016 #24
I don't know how to do it, but someone needs to come out with a big headline: Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #28
Yes, Hmmmmmm. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #23
PoliticalJunkie - you have a point. MontanaMama Dec 2016 #35
Is there definitely going to be a recount? drm604 Dec 2016 #42
Wooooodamnwho! lonestarnot Dec 2016 #48
Realistically speaking: If all recounts end up giving HRC the lead, will she end up President Elect? Blaukraut Dec 2016 #49
If the recounts are finished before the election is certified for each state involved andym Dec 2016 #52
She would be president. Period. duffyduff Dec 2016 #54
Liar-man Plucketeer Dec 2016 #55
If the recounts gave HRC a victory, her electors would be voting in the EC. But they won't. BzaDem Dec 2016 #60
Screw them all cilla4progress Dec 2016 #57
Once the Corporate mafia gets to him he wont be talking as if there is hope INdemo Dec 2016 #58
It is still a pretty tall mountain but at least it wasn't quite as high as we thought jimlup Dec 2016 #63
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