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Response to DanTex (Reply #51)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:39 PM

64. See, after all that hate, you come up with one proposal there could actually be common ground on.

Failing that, universal background checks would be a move in the right direction.


If they could be done sans registration and without hassle, rather than trying to force everything through BATFE 4473's, then there are probably was to do implement UBC that both sides could agree on. It could have been done in 1994, except the Third Way launched the Protruding Handgrip and Magazine Crusade instead.


I would like to see European style gun laws in the US, and we could basically get there by reclassifying handguns and semi-automatic rifles under NFA.


You are aware that AR's and whatnot are legal in most of Europe and Canada, yes?

You might even could have gotten licensing, in an alternate universe where licensing wasn't used as a means to routinely deny ownership, and where you hadn't made things NFA and then closed the NFA registry. In the current universe, no. We see how you treat carry licensure, and the NY SAFE Act shows where Bloomberg et al want to go.


Having said that, if I was going to murder a lot of people in a school, I would choose a rifle with a pistol grip, a front grip, and 30+ round magazines. And if you're going to tell me that instead you'd use a hunting rifle with a 5-round magazine, you're lying.


The murderer who committed the worst mass shooting *ever* (in Norway) used a straight-stocked hunting rifle:



Still not as bad as the recent attack in France with the moving truck, but it goes to show that handgrip shape is irrelevant, as are forward grips (I don't use a foregrip on my USPSA competition rifle, FWIW, though they might be handy shooting from prone). And you're talking 10-round magazines, not 5; the Virginia Tech shooter used two pistols and a backpack full of mostly 10-rounders, I think. And the Texas Tower shooter used a rifle with a 4-round magazine, did he not?

The thing is, unless you ban *all* repeating firearms, and all easily reloadable firearms, and actually make them vanish rather than driving them underground, it's irrelevant.

That also begs the question of why you are focusing on the *least* prevalent instances of gun homicide (mass shootings involving rifles), while failing to address the most prevalent: drug-prohibition-driven conflicts between criminal enterprises. Of the 500+ murders in Chicago this year, almost all involve illegally possessed handguns, not rifles of any type. And I suspect the most-misused handguns aren't the full-sized, full-capacity, hard-to-conceal ones targeted by mag bans, but the smaller, more concealable ones. Meanwhile, rifle homicide is now at historic lows.

If you are trying to fight gun violence, then attacking the peaceable and nonviolent is not a viable path forward, IMO.

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