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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:13 AM

72. I think you are under some misconceptions here...

There is a difference between a hunting rifle and a weapons that was made to KILL PEOPLE.

Bolt-action hunting rifles were originally designed to kill human beings at extreme ranges. The Winchester Model 70 deer rifle is a refined Model 58, which is a lightly refined German Mauser infantry rifle.





Then there's the Remington 700 bolt-action deer rifle....also known as the M24/M40 Sniper Weapon System used by the U.S. Army and Marine Corps.

If anyone is taking an ak 47 or a glock to shoot deer, they are awful hunters.

If you can take a deer with a Glock, you are one of the best hunters to walk this earth. A deer rifle is six times as powerful as a Glock 9mm and has ten to twenty times the effective range.

Actual AK-47's are a 10-year Federal felony to possess in the United States, unless you are either a government employee/contractor or have special authorization to own one of the rare pre-1986 collectibles in private hands. If you want one, expect to wait about six months for your Federal paperwork to clear, and expect to pay between $15,000 and $20,000.

If you mean a non-automatic civilian AK-47 lookalike, then those are actually decent deer rifles, for smallish deer, and they'd require a bit more skill to get closer since an AK is only about half as powerful as a bolt-action. But since most gun owners are nonhunters, it's kind of a moot point. I used to compete with a Romanian SAR-1; it's basically a self-loading .30-30 Winchester with a detachable magazine. They don't fire any faster than a pistol or any other civilian self-loader.

I personally am a nonhunter and shoot competitively with an AR-15, which is just a centerfire .22 and not considered powerful enough to hunt with in many states.

But of course, we have to appease a certain demographic, now matter how many bodies people up, and people will say "you better gimme everything I want" which of course, is what gun ownership in this country is truly about.

What, exactly, does putting people in cages for having the wrong shaped handgrip on their rifle have to do with preventing bodies from piling up? Rifles are the least likely of *any* class of weapon to be used in a murder.

Murder, by State, Types of Weapons, 2015

[font face="courier new"]Total murders...................... 13,455
Handguns............................ 6,447 (47.9%)
Firearms (type unknown)............. 2,648 (19.7%)
Clubs, rope, fire, etc.............. 1,671 (12.4%)
Knives and other cutting weapons.... 1,544 (11.5%)
Hands, fists, feet.................... 624 (4.6%)
Shotguns.............................. 269 (2.0%)
Rifles................................ 252 (1.9%) [/font]


And banning handgrips that stick out doesn't change the lethality in the slightest.

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