2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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26. How many times do we have to educate you on this?

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 07:55 AM

Dec 2016

The only reason why we don't have the Internationale as one of our patriotic songs right now is white bigotry. White working class Americans fucking LOVE socialism when it's not going to """""""THOOOOOOOOOOOOSEEEEEEEEEEEE PEOOOOOOPLEEEEEEEEE"""""""""

As long as racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and other bigotries are a powerful force in American politics, a large plurality of white working class voters will see "their interest" as keeping resources away from minorities and will vote accordingly.

Now, one could argue that we needed to focus more on Hillary's plans and less on how bad Trump was, and that we underestimated how big a problem vote suppression would be, but given how multiple powerful entities, including a foreign Great Power adversary and our own domestic security services were trying to rig the election for Trump, who knows if that would have been enough.

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I think the "it ISN'T about economics" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position. [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

Well said. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1

much of Trump's nastiest treatment, was directed toward the other republicans NRQ891 Dec 2016 #2

The anti-establishment angle is overblown. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5

the re-election of GOP incumbant, was motivated by 'Hillary-Containment' strategy NRQ891 Dec 2016 #7

Oh, please. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9

May or may not be 'deeply rightwing,' elleng Dec 2016 #3

Or one could just look at exit polls. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4

But part of the immigration issue is economic. potone Dec 2016 #11

Nah, I don't think it's that complicated. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15

Thank you Cosmocat Dec 2016 #29

lol JI7 Dec 2016 #6

I'll give you this. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8

Not Stein's message(she didn't start any of that) and I never supported her. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14

Not true and insulting to boot. boston bean Dec 2016 #10

To whom? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17

The lie itself is an insult. Stats refute your OP..... embarrased to read this BS here. bettyellen Dec 2016 #20

I didn't tell any lies. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22

Hahahahahahaha Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #12

Those specific people should be condemned. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #13

It was a large group of people. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #16

Yep. Someone suggested POC would better able to afford the lawyers they needed... bettyellen Dec 2016 #19

People who would say those things are idiots and I join you in denouncing them. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #23

I accept that social oppression is the major part of your economic oppression Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24

How many times do we have to educate you on this? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #26

I don't even know why I post in his threads. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #36

And if I had ever argued that we need to put the fight against bigotry to the side, you'd be right Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41

So why are you accusing people of putting economic concerns to the side? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #42

Because that's the only explanation for all the threads on how economic issues played no role Ken Burch Dec 2016 #48

Economic injustice can't be defeated without defeating social injustice gollygee Dec 2016 #37

I agree with you on that. Always have. Pretty sure the vast majority of the left actually does. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40

... LexVegas Dec 2016 #39

No it is rooted in reality dsc Dec 2016 #18

Yep Cosmocat Dec 2016 #30

Wow. Much words. betsuni Dec 2016 #21

I didn't say any person was right wing. I said an argument was right wing. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #25

Spreading the falsehood that Hillary prioritized social justice over economics is right-wing. DanTex Dec 2016 #27

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #44

"The minimum wage is too high" - Donald Trump ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #28

There is ample proof that those who voted for Trump did not care about the economy. Those Squinch Dec 2016 #31

Who needs the GOP when Democrats and Liberals sabotage their own platform with GOP talking points.. JHan Dec 2016 #32

To my mind, those who spew GOP talking points are not Democrats or Liberals. So there's that. Squinch Dec 2016 #33

I don't get it, this is self-sabotage that only weakens us... JHan Dec 2016 #35

Bingo on all counts. And it isn't unintentional. Squinch Dec 2016 #38

People making that argument still haven't looked at Hillary's policy pages BainsBane Dec 2016 #46

It was a good platform...but in the ads I saw, we didn't talk about it enough. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #50

I think the 'it ISN'T about racism and sexism" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #34

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43

Racism and sexism played a role...I never said they played NO role.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #49

How is the fact that Clinton won voters making under $50k a year BainsBane Dec 2016 #45

That fact, plus exit polls show that those who La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47

In my life social justice has always been the overriding issue and always will be. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51

In my life economic issues has always been the overriding issue. azmom Dec 2016 #52

That would be a great argument.... Adrahil Dec 2016 #53