Well then, take the matter up with your co-religionists and leave the rest of us alone (Reply #144)

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144. Well then, take the matter up with your co-religionists and leave the rest of us alone

Your opinion of what is sinful and what is not is no basis for public policy, and such arguments
are better left to the fetus fetishists, drug warriors, and homophobes.

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History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes; lessons from 2004 re: the gun issue. [View all]	benEzra	Nov 2016	OP
Maybe we should be a little more racist and homophobic, too	frazzled	Nov 2016	#1
The House Sit in made me Proud to be a Democrat	Jason1961	Nov 2016	#2
"Being OK with gun violence" and "supporting reactionary laws against the nonviolent"...	benEzra	Nov 2016	#4
Please go read the OP again, you missed the point	Amishman	Dec 2016	#9
Yes, exactly. (n/t)	benEzra	Dec 2016	#13
Gun violence .... gun ownership two different things	Kathy M	Dec 2016	#25
If you fail to understand the nuances of the issue, you'll fail to understand how to avoid missteps.	benEzra	Nov 2016	#3
If all you can see is guns	frazzled	Nov 2016	#5
Not exactly, but you are certainly welcome to think it was a nonissue here.	benEzra	Nov 2016	#6
THE number one issue that turned people republican in WV	hollowdweller	Dec 2016	#149
You didn't choose a mainstream example. You chose an open Zimmerman supporter.	stone space	Dec 2016	#18
I agree.	stone space	Dec 2016	#41
You think guns were the primary issue of this campaign?	TwilightZone	Nov 2016	#7
I said they were a huge issue in a lot of swing states this year, as in 2000 and 2004.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#8
Also in 2012 when Obama endorsed the AWB and gun nuts unanimously predicted	DanTex	Dec 2016	#10
After the 2012 election. The results of that shift fell out in the 2014 midterms. How'd that go?	benEzra	Dec 2016	#12
Nope. He did it in a debate with Romney.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#16
That was understood as pandering to the zealots; he made no real moves against gun owners.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#22
LOL. In other words, your whole story is based on false premises.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#23
"..they could pick up a few gun nut votes." You vastly underestimate the gun vote	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#36
The racist vote is pretty big too. Mostly the same vote, really.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#37
See? I rest my case. (n/t)	benEzra	Dec 2016	#43
I'm a (former) Texan. I know gun nuttery.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#55
How's that view of your fellow citizens worked out for you??	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#62
Great. I live in NYC now. Best city on the planet IMO. Though I do like Paris.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#65
We're damn near neighbors....	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#68
I love the Adirondacks, though I don't know where Adirondack Park is exactly.	DanTex	Dec 2016	#71
Encon protects the wilderness...funded by, in part, hunters like me...	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#74
Keep that mindset....we look forward to it....you'll be in the minority for decades.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#46
You look forward to Dems being the minority? Why are you on DU?	DanTex	Dec 2016	#53
Not Democrats....you grabbers....many Democrats like me support gun RIGHTS.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#60
So I take it you voted for Hillary?	DanTex	Dec 2016	#61
Of course I did....she wasn't going to grab guns no matter what she said.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#66
Very good. If even a hard core gunner like you voted Dem, looks like the "concern" expressed	DanTex	Dec 2016	#69
"Tens of thousands" aren't killed by the guns you want to ban; less than 150 are.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#42
Who said I wanted to ban anything?	DanTex	Dec 2016	#51
See, after all that hate, you come up with one proposal there could actually be common ground on.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#64
What hate?	DanTex	Dec 2016	#73
Believe what you want.	hollowdweller	Dec 2016	#150
I grudgingly agree.	Buckeye_Democrat	Dec 2016	#11
Running on gun was good for hitting Sanders on the left, bad for the general election.	jake335544	Dec 2016	#14
We see things the same.	hollowdweller	Dec 2016	#151
the "gun issue" is about stimulating NRAnls to donate after ridiculous guns-in-bars proposals	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#15
If carry prohibitions were limited to actual carry while at a bar/drinking, or carry while impaired,	benEzra	Dec 2016	#19
Republicans like to deflect the issue into a discussion on mental health funding	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#20
I'm not a Repub, and legislating rifle stock shape doesn't prevent suicides.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#21
Packing Guns in the Day Care Center	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#123
How are airport parking garages different from other parking garages?	benEzra	Dec 2016	#124
You are applying logic to emotion-based prohibitionism, so your questions will most likely...	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#125
93% of us don't need guns to visit the airport...eom	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#153
A point that is applicable to any other parking garage in any other place.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#154
Your second paragraph is daff	Kolesar	Dec 2016	#155
On the contrary, there is really no other basis for harassing a cohort	benEzra	Dec 2016	#156
More death and mayhem	Kolesar	Jan 2017	#157
Umm, Florida doesn't allow carry in airport terminals, which is exactly the law you advocate.	benEzra	Jan 2017	#158
The 'right' of California to enact homophobic laws thanks to Proposition 8 was overridden.	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#127
I truely don't understand Zimmerman supporters.	stone space	Dec 2016	#17
Mos understand the support for Zman stalking, intimidating, and shooting a skinny unarmed Black kid.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#27
Except that didn't happen did it Hoyt?	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#29
What didn't happen?	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#33
"..stalking, intimidating, and shooting a skinny unarmed Black kid."	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#48
Damn sure did. Lots of gunners think that's OK, but it happened.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#78
No actually it didn't per the testimony in the trial....which I saw every minute of.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#87
So Zman didn't follow Martin, scare him and shoot him? You gunners amaze me.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#88
Followed maybe...scare..no..shoot yeah.....don't slam a "white hispanics" head into the	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#89
From Matin's friend's testimony, he was clearly scared. You were likely too busy making fun of her	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#90
EXCEPT...the phone records showed her a liar....she got caught lying	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#91
She clearly said Martin was scared of the guy stalking him. You support gunners, even	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#92
"of the guy stalying him.."....shall I post the Cross where she's caught in THAT lie?	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#94
Why don't you. Fact is you believe gunners like Zman who shoot unarmed Black kids and get away	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#96
I call him Zidiot...I do NOT support him as we've discussed on DI....and you know that.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#98
You clearly support him and similar gunners. LMAO --Talk about fake accounts.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#102
Nice try CTA.....	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#118
stoney....you know better....you really do.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#28
The people on that list are self-identified Zimmerman supporters.	stone space	Dec 2016	#80
They are supporters of LAW....probably every one of them..like me, watched the trial.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#86
Thank you for the excellent OP and the truth. Prepare to get hammered with	jack_krass	Dec 2016	#24
Ha, you are psychic.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#54
Lol, one of my fav posters. Not sure if that one is an antigunner or is mocking rabid antigunners	jack_krass	Dec 2016	#59
Why do open carry gun nuts bully Latina students like Ana Lopez when guns are allowed on campus?	stone space	Dec 2016	#76
I think that is a perfect example of how the gun control movement has lost its way.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#81
Seriously? You're blaming the victim here?	stone space	Dec 2016	#82
Did you read my post?	benEzra	Dec 2016	#83
My policy proposal is to stop gunbullying Latina students. (nt)	stone space	Dec 2016	#84
Stop.....you policy is to eliminate guns.....just say it...Free yourself, be honest with us	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#93
Do you support this sort of gunbullying being deployed against Latina students trying to study?	stone space	Dec 2016	#95
This meme of yours has been debunked...but I want you to explain to us...	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#97
Why do you feel the need to make personal insults?	stone space	Dec 2016	#99
No...she isn't...".being gunbullied by an open carry activist like this?"	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#119
Why is her race relevant?	Marengo	Dec 2016	#120
White wing love of gunz and racism are closely related in this country.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#26
My girlfriend is AA...going for her carry permit this month....	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#32
An old Gungeoneer returns. LMAO.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#34
I have NO clue what a "Gungeoneer" is....BUT	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#50
This message was self-deleted by its author	Duckhunter935	Dec 2016	#77
Who is it? Or, should I say what was the former user name?	Marengo	Dec 2016	#85
Next You're Going To Tell Me The U.S. Had Slavery nt	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#45
Why do so many Dems like guns? Can I assume its not racisim?	jmg257	Dec 2016	#56
Take a critical look at posts in Gungeon, that'll give you a clue.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#79
Just Suck It Up, And Get Over It!	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#30
why not leave it to the states	DonCoquixote	Dec 2016	#31
Chicago Is Perfect Example	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#35
1400 people are responsible for 80% of the gun violence in Chicago, and the police KNOW	jmg257	Dec 2016	#38
Hunting is a very small reason to own guns these days...only 15-18% of the 80-90 million gun owners	jmg257	Dec 2016	#39
For Protection?	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#44
Yep - self-defense is the number one reason these days.	jmg257	Dec 2016	#49
Again, What Confuses Me...	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#57
Guns can certainly be in a safe. Or on your person if so inclined. At night you can keep	jmg257	Dec 2016	#63
Thoughts...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#75
That's entirely delusional....	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#58
I think you are under some misconceptions here...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#72
Gun control did not lose us this election	samir.g	Dec 2016	#40
It lost at least 6 senate seats in 2014, and it was a big factor in several swing states this year,	benEzra	Dec 2016	#70
I Sometimes Wonder How Other Countries Can Exist	SoCalMusicLover	Dec 2016	#47
"Gun Culture" is certainly a thing. Grow up with them, depend on them even, they are no big deal.	jmg257	Dec 2016	#52
You realize "assault weapons" are common in Canada and legal across most of Europe, yes?	benEzra	Dec 2016	#67
Your thread has devolved into a defense of George Zimmerman and Brett Sanders.	stone space	Dec 2016	#100
Oh FFS ss.......you're the one that always brings up Zimmerman.......	pablo_marmol	Dec 2016	#105
Are you going to pretend that Zimmerman is not being defended here in this thread?	stone space	Dec 2016	#107
I refuse to engage with you any further.	pablo_marmol	Dec 2016	#108
You are mocking us for being afraid after the bloodiest election in Iowa's history.	stone space	Dec 2016	#109
This violence is directly related to the election?	Marengo	Dec 2016	#121
As more and more people bury their children with patched up holes in their chests...	wyldwolf	Dec 2016	#101
Keep telling yourself that as you continue to believe in that mythical "epidemic of gun violence."	pablo_marmol	Dec 2016	#106
I will because mass shootings have become more common	wyldwolf	Dec 2016	#113
While mass shootings are obviously tragic........	pablo_marmol	Dec 2016	#115
Rifle homicide is decreasing, not increasing, from 442/yr in 2005 to 250/yr now.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#116
Until the same amount fear mass shooting as much as fearing losing their jobs	hollowdweller	Dec 2016	#152
Zealously advocating for more gun restrictions always hurts us in the general election.	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#103
Bernie sabataged his own primary campaign with the PLCAA. And I say this as a Bernie supporter.	stone space	Dec 2016	#111
The Phyrric victory goes to the anti-RKBA crowd.	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#114
The problem is..you don't know what PLACCA is....Bernie gained votes up here for supporting it.	Nancyswidower	Dec 2016	#122
Copy/pasted from another post:	pablo_marmol	Dec 2016	#104
k&r	flying rabbit	Dec 2016	#110
The party hasn't told anybody to "vote non-Democrat, or else".	stone space	Dec 2016	#112
"Vote for me, and I promise to put you in prison unless you conform to my beliefs"	benEzra	Dec 2016	#117
Most Trump supporters are white wing racists, as are most gun nuts.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#126
And most anti-gun nuts are bigots, so what's your point?	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#128
I admit it, when it comes to ignorant racist gun nuts, I am bigoted against them	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#129
See, smearing the quarter of Dems and third of independents who own guns like that...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#130
I'm not concerned about someone with a gun or two at home for hunting	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#131
Unless...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#132
Gun owners who are irrational and paranoid should be checked by mental health professionals.	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#133
The ability to read and understand Federal and state law...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#134
Ben, any discussion that puts you guys' gunz in a bad light is automatically shut down by gun	Hoyt	Dec 2016	#135
My guns have harmed no one, and I do my part to help ensure they never will.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#138
NRA endorsed Dem lost in Mo	loyalsister	Dec 2016	#136
What does threatening people with felonies for having the wrong shape rifle stock	benEzra	Dec 2016	#137
It's the mindset that's the problem	loyalsister	Dec 2016	#139
What mindset? The one that doesn't accept what your crowd deems to be 'sinful' as being sinful?	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#140
The belief in the right to kill a lot of civilians in a matter of seconds	loyalsister	Dec 2016	#141
An imagined mindset of the owners is more important than actual crime rates to you?	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#142
A belief in an unconditional right to own weapons specifically designed to kill a lot of people	loyalsister	Dec 2016	#143
Well then, take the matter up with your co-religionists and leave the rest of us alone	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#144
Basic human decency	loyalsister	Dec 2016	#145
Basic human decency demands that laws be based on their impact on the public at large	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2016	#146
Except those guns aren't on the civilian market, and aren't the subject of proposed bans.	benEzra	Dec 2016	#148
Thoughts, at some length...	benEzra	Dec 2016	#147
I don't recall guns even being an issue in the race?	Blue_Tires	Jan 2017	#159
Clinton made magazine and "assault weapon" bans one of her top issues in the primary.	benEzra	Jan 2017	#160

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