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zipplewrath

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17. She was in trouble from the beginning
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

She was in serious trouble from the beginning, which is why Bernie became such a threat to her. Yes, there were many mistakes made, the real question is could she have run a "good enough" campaign to win. Considering that "third terms" are very hard, one wonders if she could have done anything.

Just look at their slogans. Hers suggested that things were good and we needed to keep moving in the same direction. He suggested things were "bad" and we needed to change directions. She got the majority of the support. Unfortunately, the people that decided the election were people who thought that we were going in the wrong direction. And really, looking from their point of view, one can understand their frustrations. Conversely, there is no way she could have address their concerns in a meaningful way during the campaign. First she would have lost much of the support she did have (which was a majority) and second, these people where not going to accept someone with such a long history of involvement at the national level. Again, a minority of the population by a long stretch, and even a minority of some of the key demographics. Unfortunately, they were spread "just right" (which is why some people are suspicious that there was someone doing the spreading).

This is particularly frustrating to me because I've been concerned about this for several election cycles, that someone in the GOP would figure out that the democrats had lost much of the blue collar vote. I just never thought it would be Vladimir Trump.

Progressive Puritans Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #1
yes, but I think that's where the Russian hacks/wikileaks really played a role in amplifying their Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #5
i put more into russia hacking/fbi. JI7 Dec 2016 #2
It was her job zipplewrath Dec 2016 #3
but I think overall her campaign did a good job -- not enough obviously, but reasonably good Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #6
She was in trouble from the beginning zipplewrath Dec 2016 #17
Yes, all points well taken. She was kind of stuck. The thing that really hurt though was the polls Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #18
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4
argh...I hate this! he doesn't game media coverage...the media is game for it! JCanete Dec 2016 #7
yes, that's why I think the media is the number #1 cause for Trump's win Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #14
Well, don't forget Bernie or Busters. LisaL Dec 2016 #8
McConnel withholding information lame54 Dec 2016 #9
yeah-- true. I guess that falls under the Russian hacking category overall Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #13
No way... lame54 Dec 2016 #15
fair enough. I agree he is and I wonder what would have happened if McConnell hadn't have blocked Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #19
Hate to say, but probably nothing zipplewrath Dec 2016 #20
I agree, not to mention that stories of Russian hacking were already out there and being ignored Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #24
Good analysis hueymahl Dec 2016 #10
hmm, yes-- that actually hasn't been mentioned before that I've seen Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #11
"The electorate's general distaste for having one family too involved in the levers of power." LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #30
fixed the numbers, since they added up to 110% before! Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #12
Anyone who's trying to blame just one factor is selling something. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #16
Sorta zipplewrath Dec 2016 #22
Emails budkin Dec 2016 #21
I think you summed it up nicely mtnsnake Dec 2016 #23
One Word: RUSSIA Corey_Baker08 Dec 2016 #25
Lol. You boys are so cute. Squinch Dec 2016 #26
I'd put the media coverage at 75% at least. unblock Dec 2016 #27
Trump was on the air a lot. If that was not enough to convince people he's a buffoon, racist, bigot Hoyt Dec 2016 #28
99.9% voter suppression and ballot rat f*cking in my estimation ymetca Dec 2016 #29
Russian hacking was the problem... dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #31
Her lack of a penis? sfwriter Dec 2016 #32
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