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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
10. Either
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:42 PM
Dec 2012

President Obama is jonesing to cut Social Security, Medicare, etc. His overriding ambition is to cut both programs because he's just a no-good lying DINO or an "R" in disguise. See how crazy that sounds?

OR

President Obama is gambling with all this stuff knowing that no matter what he puts on the table, the Republicans will say no and he'll come across as being willing to compromise and they'll look crazy (crazier, anyway) and unreasonable. At which point, nothing happens. No deal. None of the stuff that he put on the table matters because nobody on the Democratic side is going to pass any of these things into law unless we were to get something significant in return and even then most of the ideas that have been floated might not get passed either, so nothing's been lost. No deals, no laws, no loss.........

OR

President Obama is willing to do something unpleasant- but as least unpleasant possible- in order to get a good deal with the Republicans on stimulus, or something worth the trade-off. He knows that he has to still deal with the Republicans controlling the House for another 2 years (at least), so, although the Democrats hold the WH and Senate, there will have to be SOME compromise with the House GOP. As far as I can tell, agreeing to a Chained CPI (with some protections) is probably the least odious thing to agree to- if the trade-off appears to be worth it.

You can take your pick about what you believe his motivations/strategy are

YOU! demwing Dec 2012 #1
Giving away stuff isn't giving away stuff Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #2
You're right Prometheus_unbound Dec 2012 #5
Either Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #10
that is exactly what my facebook friends are going to say today! madrchsod Dec 2012 #3
obama was ready to give away much more then needed.......the baggers, not obama , beat boner bowens43 Dec 2012 #4
Kind of like the way some of my right wing friends give Obama no credit for killing OBL. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #16
Sorry Jack. Obama won. Boehner lost. lamp_shade Dec 2012 #6
Obama only wins demwing Dec 2012 #7
Exactly! Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #8
A reprieve is not winning. That's all we got. forestpath Dec 2012 #9
Kind of like the way some of my right wing friends give Obama no credit for killing OBL. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #15
he's a bad man joe. he wants us to die. dionysus Dec 2012 #20
What I can't figure out ... I mean if he has DEATH PANELS ... why cut Social Security??? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #21
I believe President Obama. Sunlei Dec 2012 #11
your little poll blew up in your face. didn't it? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #12
A win is a win. You sound bitter. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #13
Ya think? Cha Dec 2012 #19
Boehner currently lays weeping, in a pool of his own sick, with Obama's foot print on his ass. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #14
1) How can someone get hosed by something that doesn't happen? 2) Has Obama won anything ever? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #17
They need an Outrage pressure release valve for when their predicted outrage event does not happen. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #22
WAKE THE FUCK UP. President Obama is helping us. Cha Dec 2012 #18
I should'a put in a fourth choice... jerseyjack Dec 2012 #23
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