I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime. (Reply #66)

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Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:12 AM

66. I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime.

I'm a little surprised that some of Obama's skills and strategies didn't rub off on Hillary, especially his ability to reach out to the middle class in rust-belt states in a way that didnt seemed forced.

Of course, Bernie sounded the warning, whose advice, for the most part, was criticized and ridiculed, rather than heeded. But, Hillary still should of won goin away.

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146 replies	Author	Time	Post
WE Are NOT the Problem [View all]	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	OP
off to greatest with you, and, as always, spot on, nance.	niyad	Dec 2016	#1
Out of the park again, my dear Nance!	CaliforniaPeggy	Dec 2016	#2
K&R. n/t	FSogol	Dec 2016	#3
K & R. Bigly!	stopbush	Dec 2016	#4
K & R & S	madamesilverspurs	Dec 2016	#5
BINGO!!!!!!.N/T	asuhornets	Dec 2016	#6
So, with all these factors that aren't the Democrats fault	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#7
True!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#15
The incumbent re-election rate was even higher than normal this year.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#27
We're all ears.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#21
The one thing I would say is more outreach to rural areas in purple states.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#30
Yes, precisely the reason Obama said he would have been reelected if allowed to run... and he would have using his tried and true strategies.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#32
Obama probably would have won even if his campaign was run just like Clinton's.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#33
Obama is a MASTER strategist... he woulda run rings around that Nazi bastard regardless.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#34
Obama/Trump debate?	maddiemom	Dec 2016	#65
I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#66
I am a former college debater and Hillary Clinton did great in the debates	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#105
One thing I wish they had done	treestar	Dec 2016	#71
The HRC campaign definitely should have done this. Even her own ads were mostly about Trump. nt	MadDAsHell	Dec 2016	#78
Nance-I volunteer a great deal of my time on voter protection efforts and I would like to know the	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#108
Those are all things beyond the Democrats control	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#45
Throughout the campaign ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#46
Trump's negatives were higher. If Trump won the candidate with highest negatives won.	delisen	Dec 2016	#52
Welcome to DU	gopiscrap	Dec 2016	#144
Sanders would have been a very weak general election candidate	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#110
If Hillary had been convinced not run	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#128
Two things that I have heard	Ghost OF Trotsky	Dec 2016	#56
You hear, but don't listen. Objectivity is something you should strive for.	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#69
Well said	LiberalLovinLug	Dec 2016	#90
Yes	mountain grammy	Dec 2016	#131
You Nailed It.	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#106
Welcome to DU!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#114
Thank You	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#115
Clinton did this.	GreenEyedLefty	Dec 2016	#130
The claim that Democrats did not try to stop voter suppression is sad	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#117
Misogyny was a huge part of Hillary losing.	stopbush	Dec 2016	#102
As the father of two daughters, I am so sad about this	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#112
The Primaries are over	uponit7771	Dec 2016	#63
Disagree what we have to do is start paying attention	treestar	Dec 2016	#70
+1000	Snarkoleptic	Dec 2016	#8
+10,000!!!!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#17
I can't rec this enough. THANK YOU!!!!	LaydeeBug	Dec 2016	#9
+1000000000000	ailsagirl	Dec 2016	#13
K&R!	gademocrat7	Dec 2016	#10
Thank you.	mac56	Dec 2016	#11
K&R	baldguy	Dec 2016	#12
+10,000 for the truth in your post, BG! eom	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2016	#80
This a thousand times	mcar	Dec 2016	#14
H.L. Mencken	The Wizard	Dec 2016	#16
Very well said. Thank you!	spooky3	Dec 2016	#18
Nance, I'm being serious here--	volstork	Dec 2016	#19
THANK YOU!!!	pnwmom	Dec 2016	#20
Kick baby, kick	Hekate	Dec 2016	#22
great post	bdamomma	Dec 2016	#23
I don't blame the Democrats one bit for losing this election	elmac	Dec 2016	#24
ITA 100%!	True_Blue	Dec 2016	#25
Thank you, Nance!	Cha	Dec 2016	#26
THANK YOU Nance	Skittles	Dec 2016	#28
P.S.	Cha	Dec 2016	#29
That statement is so true Cha.	oasis	Dec 2016	#88
Perfect! Thank you, Cha!	spooky3	Dec 2016	#129
You're Welcome, spooky!	Cha	Dec 2016	#132
K & R ......	Wounded Bear	Dec 2016	#31
So you keep saying but there was a difficult primary for a reason	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#35
The primary was essentially over by mid-March and arguably after Super Tuesday.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#37
Arguably what made it over in March was the hastily declared superdelegate votes...	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#41
I don't think the superdelegates had much, if any, bearing on the results.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#43
I don't think so at all. The superdelegate count was touted constantly by her surrogates and minions	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#44
Even if it was touted as much as you claim, and I don't think it was...	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#47
It's not hard to look up...	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#59
"Superdelegate touting" could fall under "media complicity" in Nance's OP. n/t	intheflow	Dec 2016	#48
And yet, we were beaten about the head and neck with the 'results' and the 'insurmountable lead'	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#82
The insurmountable lead had nothing to do with superdelegates.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#84
Historically incorrect.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#86
No, it isn't. You can dig up my posts and the posts of many others making that very point.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#89
K & R & s	kaitcat47	Dec 2016	#36
K&R	brer cat	Dec 2016	#38
Well Said - We're Up Against a Party that Cheats to Win	dlk	Dec 2016	#39
Democrats have always been too reluctant to call out the Republicans for what they are--treasonous	Akamai	Dec 2016	#40
what about the senate races?	recount now	Dec 2016	#42
Why can't it be "both/and?"	intheflow	Dec 2016	#49
+1	coco22	Dec 2016	#51
It's a sure fire way to lose another close election...	Yurovsky	Dec 2016	#53
you don't carry out a post-mortem by standing in the morgue going "the patient is SO NOT dead!"	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#100
Word.	OrwellwasRight	Dec 2016	#101
"Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it."	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2016	#107
But why would you ignore who was putting the holes in it? That makes no sense.	kcr	Dec 2016	#125
KnR	Hekate	Dec 2016	#50
Quite right	lunasun	Dec 2016	#54
Good post! Here's a little factoid that blows my mind and disgusts me beyond words:	PearliePoo2	Dec 2016	#55
The Projections	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#111
K&R!!!	secondwind	Dec 2016	#57
Sorry, no.	zipplewrath	Dec 2016	#58
K&R	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#60
Great essay...	Mike Nelson	Dec 2016	#61
+1, " The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts"	uponit7771	Dec 2016	#62
YES!	maddiemom	Dec 2016	#64
Excellent points, as usual. And one other factor was the candidate who forgot....	George II	Dec 2016	#67
Let's not forget the Rudy Giuliani's in this. FBI was feeding him info illegally.	ffr	Dec 2016	#68
K&R!!!	horseshoecrab	Dec 2016	#72
My sentiment exactly	lunatica	Dec 2016	#73
Trump won on the basis of a massive voter death wish, courtesy of Fox "News."	Paladin	Dec 2016	#74
k&r!	DesertRat	Dec 2016	#75
Thank you!	lark	Dec 2016	#76
"Doesn't move us forward an inch" - Ok, so what does?	MadDAsHell	Dec 2016	#77
TIM KAINE/DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ 2020!	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#103
There's a winning team!	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2016	#113
Smells like victory to me! Especially since DWS can speak to "concerned soccer moms"	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#116
Thank you, Nance	ladym55	Dec 2016	#79
Always been on the side of the working class? NAFTA. TPP. Repeal of Glass-Steagall.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#81
I love the car stealing analogy!	pandr32	Dec 2016	#83
BAM!	NastyRiffraff	Dec 2016	#85
It's not your right to vote that protects you from dictatorship:	paulkienitz	Dec 2016	#87
Fill the seat on the bus and bring your technology	nolabels	Dec 2016	#91
Here we go again, another "feel good" post that refuses to face reality	mtnsnake	Dec 2016	#92
I don't understand the motivation	OrwellwasRight	Dec 2016	#95
Spot on!	dionysus	Dec 2016	#97
Thank you for your posts	NeoConsSuck	Dec 2016	#127
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, Wrong, but thanks for playing!	HenryWallace	Dec 2016	#93
I think the ones who aren't crying in their beer right now	kcr	Dec 2016	#124
Re this	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2016	#145
AGREE!	WestCoastDem42	Dec 2016	#94
If our party isn't fighting the MSM, we are the problem. nt	JCanete	Dec 2016	#96
K & R	Scurrilous	Dec 2016	#98
Hmmm. Maybe "2016 Post-Mortem" isn't the best forum for you, then.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#99
Who are the people ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#118
Well I fall somewhere in between those two extremes, I guess.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#120
The thing is ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#135
I am sure we agree on some things, and disagree on others.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#137
It's always about Bernie.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#138
You seem a bit obsessed with that man.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#139
I'm not the one ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#140
Bringing who up?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#141
Apologies.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#142
That's alright.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#143
Democrats and Hillary Clinton were not the problem	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#104
Flat out willfully delusional. See Congress. See State Legislatures. See Governor's Mansions	TheKentuckian	Dec 2016	#109
This.	BlueWI	Dec 2016	#122
Agree.	mountain grammy	Dec 2016	#134
100% correct - but good luck trying to get some on this board to admit it	Midwestern Democrat	Dec 2016	#136
K&R n/t	lordsummerisle	Dec 2016	#119
K&R Very clear and spot on.	Jakes Progress	Dec 2016	#121
Excellent post, and you are so right. nt	raccoon	Dec 2016	#123
The gerrymandering has been there since 2011. The Democrats had 5 years to so something about it.	MarkCross7	Dec 2016	#126
Yes, yes, yes!	Amaryllis	Dec 2016	#133
we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, the same pols who betrayed key segments of base...	yurbud	Dec 2016	#146

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