"Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it." (Reply #107)

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Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:54 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (75,534 posts)

107. "Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it."

Right on.

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146 replies	Author	Time	Post
WE Are NOT the Problem [View all]	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	OP
off to greatest with you, and, as always, spot on, nance.	niyad	Dec 2016	#1
Out of the park again, my dear Nance!	CaliforniaPeggy	Dec 2016	#2
K&R. n/t	FSogol	Dec 2016	#3
K & R. Bigly!	stopbush	Dec 2016	#4
K & R & S	madamesilverspurs	Dec 2016	#5
BINGO!!!!!!.N/T	asuhornets	Dec 2016	#6
So, with all these factors that aren't the Democrats fault	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#7
True!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#15
The incumbent re-election rate was even higher than normal this year.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#27
We're all ears.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#21
The one thing I would say is more outreach to rural areas in purple states.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#30
Yes, precisely the reason Obama said he would have been reelected if allowed to run... and he would have using his tried and true strategies.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#32
Obama probably would have won even if his campaign was run just like Clinton's.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#33
Obama is a MASTER strategist... he woulda run rings around that Nazi bastard regardless.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#34
Obama/Trump debate?	maddiemom	Dec 2016	#65
I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2016	#66
I am a former college debater and Hillary Clinton did great in the debates	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#105
One thing I wish they had done	treestar	Dec 2016	#71
The HRC campaign definitely should have done this. Even her own ads were mostly about Trump. nt	MadDAsHell	Dec 2016	#78
Nance-I volunteer a great deal of my time on voter protection efforts and I would like to know the	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#108
Those are all things beyond the Democrats control	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#45
Throughout the campaign ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#46
Trump's negatives were higher. If Trump won the candidate with highest negatives won.	delisen	Dec 2016	#52
Welcome to DU	gopiscrap	Dec 2016	#144
Sanders would have been a very weak general election candidate	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#110
If Hillary had been convinced not run	Fiendish Thingy	Dec 2016	#128
Two things that I have heard	Ghost OF Trotsky	Dec 2016	#56
You hear, but don't listen. Objectivity is something you should strive for.	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#69
Well said	LiberalLovinLug	Dec 2016	#90
Yes	mountain grammy	Dec 2016	#131
You Nailed It.	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#106
Welcome to DU!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#114
Thank You	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#115
Clinton did this.	GreenEyedLefty	Dec 2016	#130
The claim that Democrats did not try to stop voter suppression is sad	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#117
Misogyny was a huge part of Hillary losing.	stopbush	Dec 2016	#102
As the father of two daughters, I am so sad about this	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#112
The Primaries are over	uponit7771	Dec 2016	#63
Disagree what we have to do is start paying attention	treestar	Dec 2016	#70
+1000	Snarkoleptic	Dec 2016	#8
+10,000!!!!	Dustlawyer	Dec 2016	#17
I can't rec this enough. THANK YOU!!!!	LaydeeBug	Dec 2016	#9
+1000000000000	ailsagirl	Dec 2016	#13
K&R!	gademocrat7	Dec 2016	#10
Thank you.	mac56	Dec 2016	#11
K&R	baldguy	Dec 2016	#12
+10,000 for the truth in your post, BG! eom	BlueCaliDem	Dec 2016	#80
This a thousand times	mcar	Dec 2016	#14
H.L. Mencken	The Wizard	Dec 2016	#16
Very well said. Thank you!	spooky3	Dec 2016	#18
Nance, I'm being serious here--	volstork	Dec 2016	#19
THANK YOU!!!	pnwmom	Dec 2016	#20
Kick baby, kick	Hekate	Dec 2016	#22
great post	bdamomma	Dec 2016	#23
I don't blame the Democrats one bit for losing this election	elmac	Dec 2016	#24
ITA 100%!	True_Blue	Dec 2016	#25
Thank you, Nance!	Cha	Dec 2016	#26
THANK YOU Nance	Skittles	Dec 2016	#28
P.S.	Cha	Dec 2016	#29
That statement is so true Cha.	oasis	Dec 2016	#88
Perfect! Thank you, Cha!	spooky3	Dec 2016	#129
You're Welcome, spooky!	Cha	Dec 2016	#132
K & R ......	Wounded Bear	Dec 2016	#31
So you keep saying but there was a difficult primary for a reason	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#35
The primary was essentially over by mid-March and arguably after Super Tuesday.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#37
Arguably what made it over in March was the hastily declared superdelegate votes...	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#41
I don't think the superdelegates had much, if any, bearing on the results.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#43
I don't think so at all. The superdelegate count was touted constantly by her surrogates and minions	aikoaiko	Dec 2016	#44
Even if it was touted as much as you claim, and I don't think it was...	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#47
It's not hard to look up...	TCJ70	Dec 2016	#59
"Superdelegate touting" could fall under "media complicity" in Nance's OP. n/t	intheflow	Dec 2016	#48
And yet, we were beaten about the head and neck with the 'results' and the 'insurmountable lead'	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#82
The insurmountable lead had nothing to do with superdelegates.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#84
Historically incorrect.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#86
No, it isn't. You can dig up my posts and the posts of many others making that very point.	Garrett78	Dec 2016	#89
K & R & s	kaitcat47	Dec 2016	#36
K&R	brer cat	Dec 2016	#38
Well Said - We're Up Against a Party that Cheats to Win	dlk	Dec 2016	#39
Democrats have always been too reluctant to call out the Republicans for what they are--treasonous	Akamai	Dec 2016	#40
what about the senate races?	recount now	Dec 2016	#42
Why can't it be "both/and?"	intheflow	Dec 2016	#49
+1	coco22	Dec 2016	#51
It's a sure fire way to lose another close election...	Yurovsky	Dec 2016	#53
you don't carry out a post-mortem by standing in the morgue going "the patient is SO NOT dead!"	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#100
Word.	OrwellwasRight	Dec 2016	#101
"Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it."	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2016	#107
But why would you ignore who was putting the holes in it? That makes no sense.	kcr	Dec 2016	#125
KnR	Hekate	Dec 2016	#50
Quite right	lunasun	Dec 2016	#54
Good post! Here's a little factoid that blows my mind and disgusts me beyond words:	PearliePoo2	Dec 2016	#55
The Projections	Berlin Vet	Dec 2016	#111
K&R!!!	secondwind	Dec 2016	#57
Sorry, no.	zipplewrath	Dec 2016	#58
K&R	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#60
Great essay...	Mike Nelson	Dec 2016	#61
+1, " The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts"	uponit7771	Dec 2016	#62
YES!	maddiemom	Dec 2016	#64
Excellent points, as usual. And one other factor was the candidate who forgot....	George II	Dec 2016	#67
Let's not forget the Rudy Giuliani's in this. FBI was feeding him info illegally.	ffr	Dec 2016	#68
K&R!!!	horseshoecrab	Dec 2016	#72
My sentiment exactly	lunatica	Dec 2016	#73
Trump won on the basis of a massive voter death wish, courtesy of Fox "News."	Paladin	Dec 2016	#74
k&r!	DesertRat	Dec 2016	#75
Thank you!	lark	Dec 2016	#76
"Doesn't move us forward an inch" - Ok, so what does?	MadDAsHell	Dec 2016	#77
TIM KAINE/DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ 2020!	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#103
There's a winning team!	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2016	#113
Smells like victory to me! Especially since DWS can speak to "concerned soccer moms"	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#116
Thank you, Nance	ladym55	Dec 2016	#79
Always been on the side of the working class? NAFTA. TPP. Repeal of Glass-Steagall.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2016	#81
I love the car stealing analogy!	pandr32	Dec 2016	#83
BAM!	NastyRiffraff	Dec 2016	#85
It's not your right to vote that protects you from dictatorship:	paulkienitz	Dec 2016	#87
Fill the seat on the bus and bring your technology	nolabels	Dec 2016	#91
Here we go again, another "feel good" post that refuses to face reality	mtnsnake	Dec 2016	#92
I don't understand the motivation	OrwellwasRight	Dec 2016	#95
Spot on!	dionysus	Dec 2016	#97
Thank you for your posts	NeoConsSuck	Dec 2016	#127
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, Wrong, but thanks for playing!	HenryWallace	Dec 2016	#93
I think the ones who aren't crying in their beer right now	kcr	Dec 2016	#124
Re this	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2016	#145
AGREE!	WestCoastDem42	Dec 2016	#94
If our party isn't fighting the MSM, we are the problem. nt	JCanete	Dec 2016	#96
K & R	Scurrilous	Dec 2016	#98
Hmmm. Maybe "2016 Post-Mortem" isn't the best forum for you, then.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#99
Who are the people ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#118
Well I fall somewhere in between those two extremes, I guess.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#120
The thing is ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#135
I am sure we agree on some things, and disagree on others.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#137
It's always about Bernie.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#138
You seem a bit obsessed with that man.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#139
I'm not the one ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#140
Bringing who up?	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#141
Apologies.	NanceGreggs	Dec 2016	#142
That's alright.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2016	#143
Democrats and Hillary Clinton were not the problem	Gothmog	Dec 2016	#104
Flat out willfully delusional. See Congress. See State Legislatures. See Governor's Mansions	TheKentuckian	Dec 2016	#109
This.	BlueWI	Dec 2016	#122
Agree.	mountain grammy	Dec 2016	#134
100% correct - but good luck trying to get some on this board to admit it	Midwestern Democrat	Dec 2016	#136
K&R n/t	lordsummerisle	Dec 2016	#119
K&R Very clear and spot on.	Jakes Progress	Dec 2016	#121
Excellent post, and you are so right. nt	raccoon	Dec 2016	#123
The gerrymandering has been there since 2011. The Democrats had 5 years to so something about it.	MarkCross7	Dec 2016	#126
Yes, yes, yes!	Amaryllis	Dec 2016	#133
we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, the same pols who betrayed key segments of base...	yurbud	Dec 2016	#146

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