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Response to Gothmog (Reply #158)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 12:56 PM

159. You're confused

"Sanders never generated his promised revolution and could not deliver on his promises in the real world "

Of course this is a correct statement.
but the reason this is right of course is that he did not win the primary. He couldn't "generate" that much from a runner up position could he? None of us know just how much ongoing support he could have generated if he would have won and the MSM were forced to discuss his forward thinking ideas.
Besides which, no one thought, or thinks, that this revolution will happen over night. But as has been proven with other issues like gay marriage and pot legalization, attitudes can shift in a tipping point way very rapidly.

Addressing your other post..you say:
"Sanders had not chance of being the nominee and ran for media coverage. Sanders used his doomed run to get the most appearances on the talk shows but to get this media coverage Sanders attacked and hurt the Democratic party."

1. He did have a chance. (And we will never know just how much if the DNC were working for both candidates the same). He may not have thought he had much chance when he started, but most do not. By your logic no one else should run but the one who is the most popular at the start of the primary season. Everyone else is just in it to get publicity for themselves for some kind of undefined monetary gain? I guess Hillary just ran in the previous primary just to sell a book.

2. What is wrong with wanting media coverage and to go on talk shows if what he was promoting were ideas that he thought needed to be discussed and are rarely brought up in the MSM? FDR Democratic ideas for the 21st century? If his ideas sounded good and drew an audience...why would he forsake them or accepting appearances just to not give the impression that he was treading on his primary candidate competitor's toes?
That makes no sense.

3. Coining his criticism of the D party, and by extension HRC as an "attack" is semantics. Obama is for the TPP, Hillary said she was not. Is she attacking the Democratic Party and the President! Oh my!. And he never wallowed in any of those unproven smears that the Republicans were using, he stuck to the same issues he has been fighting all his political life. It is the party that has shifted so far to the right that Sanders ideas are "revolutionary". Ideas that would be a normal platform in many western democracies. Do you think he embarrassed the party brass by highlighting just how far behind the times they are?

There was an appetite for a revolution. If Sanders had had an equal start, plus no DNC sabatage, who knows? And if he had won the primary, he would have been an alternative revolutionary to Donald Trump for many independents. And most every Democrat voter would also vote for him as did Bernie supporters vote for Hillary (right?). THEN this revolution could have taken off. Not overnight, as I said, but a slow educational process that would at the very least steer the conversation. And as with gay marriage and pot legalization, the more it is in the news and talked about, the faster things change. Even if not much happened during his first term, or even after a second. Its about moving the ball forward for all of us.

But he and the Democrats that he works with, did not win. But that is not the end of this revolution. You are confusing a primary slogan with an actual vision beyond who wins or loses an election. It would have continued with a Clinton presidency as well. It takes a village.

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