2016 Postmortem

JHan

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111. I don't mind that...

Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:55 PM

Jan 2017

.. the problem is I'm mainly hearing slogans.

I commend Bernie for waking up grassroots activism - especially for millenials like myself. But I didn't really need Sanders to tell me the Dems have been losing the plot on the ground level for sometime now.

I also don't understand why he won't register as a Democrat ? if he cares that much, why doesn't he join the organization?

And I need to hear more than just "corporations are bad" or any version of that argument.

We have had a management crisis in this country ,spanning decades, which led to the concentration of wealth at the top and wage stagnation- this is a cultural problem exposing our style of capitalism which prioritizes greed and sacrifices workers. Instead all I've been hearing are complaints about Trade Deals, Corporate Money etc etc-all easy targets.

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Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all] bravenak Jan 2017 OP

Sanders can't do that alone. We as part of the part can declare our party expectations, JCanete Jan 2017 #1

And fuck letting indendents control our party bravenak Jan 2017 #5

fuck regressives controlling the party. I'm a Democrat, not an independent. JCanete Jan 2017 #6

That's nice. Fuck anybody BUT DEMOCRATS controlling the party bravenak Jan 2017 #10

Nobody but Democrats control the party. Sanders message may appeal to those of us who are Democrats. JCanete Jan 2017 #13

His message may appeal to some but that some is a minority of the base bravenak Jan 2017 #17

I disagree with your characterization of what he has been doing, but that has nothing to do with JCanete Jan 2017 #27

That's how he hold us hostage. By attack bravenak Jan 2017 #31

Bernie. "Attacking." "Hostage." Has the anti-Sanders group grown that weak? Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #168

I think not being able to handle the tiniest bit of criticism is the real weakness bravenak Jan 2017 #171

Well, trump is certainly like that. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #188

LOL, true bravenak Jan 2017 #191

Bernie has been inclusive of all Democrats and Independants. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #107

Thank you. nt DLevine Jan 2017 #126

You are right on, as always. Thirties Child Jan 2017 #133

This Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #170

He's a better "Democrat" than any of the rest. panader0 Jan 2017 #185

You said it ..Great analysis INdemo Jan 2017 #386

Tireless campaigner for Clinton Roy Rolling Jan 2017 #394

Better at shouting slogans and producing dank memes, maybe. forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #427

Agreed! He's zentrum Jan 2017 #437

If we are suppose to remake the Demcoratc party in Sanders image, then he should be a member Gothmog Jan 2017 #448

yep Go Vols Jan 2017 #204

The DNC did NOT cheat Sanders ... doesn't matter how many times you say it SFnomad Jan 2017 #206

Can we disparage the EC and support Super Delegates at the same time? HopeAgain Jan 2017 #215

I never said I supported Super Delegates .. Super Delegates are NOT the reason Sanders lost SFnomad Jan 2017 #221

Neither the DNC nor super delegates played any role in Sanders defeat Gothmog Jan 2017 #239

Super Delegates didn't cost Bernie the nomination and HopeAgain Jan 2017 #253

Yeah, Clinton's campaign was so "disastrous" she only got nearly 3 million more votes than tRump did SFnomad Jan 2017 #298

Disastrous because zentrum Jan 2017 #438

It's easy to look back at what she could have done better after the fact SFnomad Jan 2017 #440

Been ready to move on but every time Bernie is in the news a fresh Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #319

Yeah, sure looks like you've been ready to move on .. SFnomad Jan 2017 #323

What was the title to this discussion thread again? Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #325

Who was the one that stated that the "DNC cheated Sanders"? SFnomad Jan 2017 #326

That would be me! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #332

I believe in reality ... SFnomad Jan 2017 #336

What are you talking about? zentrum Jan 2017 #442

That was a reply to Dustlawyer stating that the "DNC cheated Sanders", try reading the thread SFnomad Jan 2017 #443

How did the DNC cause Jewish, African American and Latino voters to reject Sanders? Gothmog Jan 2017 #460

Sanders would not give up the book sales by running as a third party Gothmog Jan 2017 #449

+1 treestar Jan 2017 #452

Great response! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #236

Not really Gothmog Jan 2017 #237

Last week, Bernie was fighting to save Medicare - bringing a huge poster of a Trump quote womanofthehills Jan 2017 #353

Good post Bernie can call himself whatever he wants. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #358

Explain to me how the people whom I refer to as "the radical left" are doing that. Cary Jan 2017 #412

The vote count was reasonably close... Yurovsky Jan 2017 #454

If he will stop stocking the fire by calling democrats out of touch, I will say nothing bravenak Jan 2017 #455

Sanders out spent Clinton by a decent amount in many if not all of the later primaries Gothmog Jan 2017 #461

Then why was Sanders soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters? Gothmog Jan 2017 #153

Goth...I get the feeling you don't care what a conversation is about, you just want to continue JCanete Jan 2017 #155

When all you got is a hammer... tonedevil Jan 2017 #164

...or just make stuff up! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #172

nail jknudsen Jan 2017 #290

Laypersons making relevancy objections are amusing Gothmog Jan 2017 #210

oh my fucking lord. This isn't debate for the sake of scoring points. Its about enlightenment, so I JCanete Jan 2017 #214

If you want to enlighten anyone, you may want to consider using facts Gothmog Jan 2017 #228

Yep, pretty much. n/t QC Jan 2017 #390

Because many voters believed Hillary... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #217

Trump used all of Bernie's attacks on Clinton. R B Garr Jan 2017 #432

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #467

So are the Russians putting out this stuff to try to keep us divided? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #177

"Regressives"? Who are you referring to? George II Jan 2017 #89

how about anyone who wants to preemptively exclude certain liberal voices JCanete Jan 2017 #92

How about we focus on the fact that the author was simply pointing out that cstanleytech Jan 2017 #115

I am focusing on that. I'm a Democrat. I get to weigh in on who I accept as a Democrat. I get to JCanete Jan 2017 #120

You are welcome to your opinion but remember that other Democrats can disagree and still be Dems. Gothmog Jan 2017 #251

Well Sanders is a progressive who is more active than most of the dems womanofthehills Jan 2017 #354

And I'm not knocking him for it and in fact I agree with him alot things however if he wants cstanleytech Jan 2017 #382

Actually, being an independent has helped Bernie get so many amendments passed womanofthehills Jan 2017 #424

And thats relevant to my post how? cstanleytech Jan 2017 #436

I don't see anyone wanting to exclude Sanders (if that's who you're referring to) from the debate... George II Jan 2017 #129

you don't look very hard. Just read the exchange between me and Bravenak. JCanete Jan 2017 #131

And where did she say she wanted to exclude him from the debate? George II Jan 2017 #154

Oh jesus George. Is that how you want to parse this? She didn't want him or his message JCanete Jan 2017 #157

That's not "parsing", it's facing reality. You're saying things that simply are not true. George II Jan 2017 #233

Nowhere bravenak Jan 2017 #161

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #169

I said he should not have complete control. Not that he could not speak. bravenak Jan 2017 #174

referring to post #4 where you reiterated that independents should not be allowed to join and run JCanete Jan 2017 #176

They should not be in our primaries for president for damn sure. They can have their own and speak bravenak Jan 2017 #180

thus excluding them from the actual debate about our party's direction. okay. thanks for being JCanete Jan 2017 #189

If they do not want to be in the party, why should we care what they want in terms of our direction bravenak Jan 2017 #198

the question again is who is we. A large enough contingent of "we" wanted his message to get JCanete Jan 2017 #202

Then get a large enough contingent together bravenak Jan 2017 #205

I assure you, nobody who wasn't a democrat let Sanders into the Democratic party. You know this. JCanete Jan 2017 #209

I am an american first bravenak Jan 2017 #212

not just any Democrat. The jersey is not the point. We kind of get to weigh in on what our future JCanete Jan 2017 #219

The jersey is the point on the field. bravenak Jan 2017 #223

I don't know I recall several claims that Bernie could win treestar Jan 2017 #453

No, she did not say "independents should not be allowed to join and run..... George II Jan 2017 #248

Precisely. George II Jan 2017 #234

Anyone's voice who is speaking out for Democratic Principles Cha Jan 2017 #269

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #401

No, I don't want our Dem Party made into that.. he lost the Primary by almost Cha Jan 2017 #409

Sanders was only running for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #422

So the people who support a non Democrat and who have been busy trying to silence synergie Jan 2017 #329

Regressives are not in our party, they're the GOP. synergie Jan 2017 #327

Sorry...I completely disagree...we have not got time for that nonsense at the moment Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #19

no, we've been losing for our center left approach. It makes us rely on the corporate backing that JCanete Jan 2017 #34

When has a far left candidate won a presidential in my lifetime? I am a millennial born in the 80s bravenak Jan 2017 #36

well, that's a good point, especially since so many of our own party don't want a far left candidate JCanete Jan 2017 #44

How do we get a far left candidate as a leader if the majority of the party does not want one? bravenak Jan 2017 #49

It should want one. Why don't you want one? It is disingenuous to stand in the way of something JCanete Jan 2017 #53

Should would could bravenak Jan 2017 #55

why aren't you fighting for it? That was the question. Why are you fighting against it? How JCanete Jan 2017 #59

I really dont care about corporate media bravenak Jan 2017 #69

oh come on. That's almost a "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps" argument. There is a JCanete Jan 2017 #87

It may be that but it's real bravenak Jan 2017 #93

Why do you believe the american people are just suddenly going to evolve and shrug off pervasive JCanete Jan 2017 #98

I don't. That's pretty much my point bravenak Jan 2017 #106

But what about an approach to politics that tries to ignore this reality appeals to you? JCanete Jan 2017 #109

It's not about what appeals to me bravenak Jan 2017 #122

I can totally see being the donkey from Animal Farm. That aint you. You have actively attacked JCanete Jan 2017 #127

I am fucking cynical. No other way to be bravenak Jan 2017 #132

Hillary ran a very progressive liberal campaign. boston bean Jan 2017 #47

It's crazy time!!! bravenak Jan 2017 #50

It was more progressive post convention because there was pressure on her to be so. JCanete Jan 2017 #65

Bingo. You captured it perfectly brush Jan 2017 #70

Yes she did Gothmog Jan 2017 #341

Far left candidate? dugog55 Jan 2017 #110

My parents and grandparents are black so, they say there has never been a better time for them ever bravenak Jan 2017 #128

I need to put this here. tonedevil Jan 2017 #218

I agree with you bravenak Jan 2017 #220

If FDR was the last leftist Democratic president crazycatlady Jan 2017 #288

You are too young to remember but, tiredtoo Jan 2017 #162

And refused to do anything on lynchings of blacks bravenak Jan 2017 #229

FDR's attitude toward AA's was something I never knew about or even considered until Ligyron Jan 2017 #385

I don't blame him per se forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #439

If that was true then shouldnt the Republicans have been losing alot of ground because right now it cstanleytech Jan 2017 #241

Which positions of the.. "hard left" do you feel will cause Democrats trouble? pangaia Jan 2017 #208

For 35 years I've been hearing "if we go left, we lose" dflprincess Jan 2017 #335

At least one member of the DNC who will be voting on this election disagrees Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

disagrees with something I said here? I don't see it. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #136

Read the material posted including the OP and this quote is very relevant Gothmog Jan 2017 #242

exactly wallyworld2 Jan 2017 #232

I think Biden should have run ShaquantaBrown Jan 2017 #2

He was deeply mourning the loss of his son Beau. I wish he could have run too CousinIT Jan 2017 #14

Hillary would have crushed Biden in a closed primary HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #64

Biden? The Big Bank's credit card industry guy who voted for the Iraq War Resolution? delisen Jan 2017 #18

Really...well what we have now is a Goldman guy as treasury secretary...so much better. scarcasm Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #21

I know. Trump is the epitome of all things bernie hates. bravenak Jan 2017 #26

and thanks to attitudes like this Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #211

"Plagiarism baggage"? That issue was over and forgotten more than 25 years ago. George II Jan 2017 #246

this!!! Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #334

I love Joe Biden Gothmog Jan 2017 #450

Please stop that. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #301

Someone should tell the Democratic leadership this because it seems NWCorona Jan 2017 #3

Bernie is not that important bravenak Jan 2017 #4

Definitely smart! Make the party a coronation for only what 1/2 to 2/3s of the party wants at best JCanete Jan 2017 #8

That nailed it. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #16

What? So what 2/3 of what the party wants should back down for, as you put it, a "coronation" for.. George II Jan 2017 #76

I cannot understand it bravenak Jan 2017 #84

Well lets see, in the context of the conersation, I would say it means that I am being generous and JCanete Jan 2017 #90

huh? JHan Jan 2017 #79

Did I say something different? where? Do you want to have a debate about the party in the primaries JCanete Jan 2017 #100

I'd rather a debate about ideas... JHan Jan 2017 #102

Well it would help if we spent more time debating the facts, or at least the various interpretations JCanete Jan 2017 #105

Important is kinda subjective. There are some who could argue that he's more important than ever. NWCorona Jan 2017 #12

He's almost eighty, how long you think he has to be in the spotlight as the 'future' of the party? bravenak Jan 2017 #15

Not long and I'm sure he's aware of that. I wouldn't say he's the future either NWCorona Jan 2017 #32

He better get aware bravenak Jan 2017 #33

I'm not an ageist. You have it until you don't and Bernie still seems sharp to me. NWCorona Jan 2017 #38

Not to me bravenak Jan 2017 #43

And I get that but to be fair this election had nothing but old choices NWCorona Jan 2017 #45

I'm done with old bravenak Jan 2017 #52

Unless her initials are HRC... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #78

She aint running again bravenak Jan 2017 #83

I'm fine. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #88

Not for next time, so...... bravenak Jan 2017 #95

Now he's too old and feeble? babylonsister Jan 2017 #399

He is CERTAINLY too old to be the FUTURE of the party bravenak Jan 2017 #446

So what? Hillary is almost seventy-five. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #39

Just turned seventy actually bravenak Jan 2017 #42

And Bernie just turned 75, actually. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #48

That is the age when males start really passing away bravenak Jan 2017 #51

Oh, stop. Now you're flailing wildly TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #57

It's simply fact bravenak Jan 2017 #58

Yeah, whatever. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #63

Well, with age I hope I can pass it all away. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #194

Me too, no lie bravenak Jan 2017 #201

She's 69. nt DesertRat Jan 2017 #441

I know that. If Bernie is almost 80, she's 75. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #447

I completely agree...we lost the election because he was permitted to run in my opinion. nt Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #24

Yep. Let's not forget that ever. I know I never will bravenak Jan 2017 #30

I agree. That was the biggest mistake the DNC made - letting Sanders run as a Democrat BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #82

Yep, he trashed the party continuously and his supporters trashed Hillary continuously . . . brush Jan 2017 #85

Somewhere in the bowels of the Beltway Democrats, he was permitted?! Da Horror!! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #200

What do you mean by "he was permitted to run"? PotatoChip Jan 2017 #231

Meaning Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #362

"The Party let him get away with it" PotatoChip Jan 2017 #374

One of several reasons we lost liquid diamond Jan 2017 #240

And yet, Bernie has been the most visible Democratic voice since the election Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #135

Voice atracking the democratic party, you mean bravenak Jan 2017 #141

and yet for years prior Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #216

Bernie will not be gone - he's out there fighting the progressive cause right now!! womanofthehills Jan 2017 #355

He will be gone because he's 75 bravenak Jan 2017 #356

Except Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #363

What bullshit. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #7

Well if the Democrats lose so will you...so there. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #29

Spoken truth to power, Demsrule86. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #116

you must admit they are very high maintenance treestar Jan 2017 #380

Great post-I saw this first hand at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2017 #451

Good article. A large majority of the DEMOCRATIC party chose Clinton in the Primary and General. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #9

Seriously. Why cant he attack republicans for a while? Damn bravenak Jan 2017 #11

That's the thing!! LisaM Jan 2017 #20

If he did THAT, I would be behind him one hundred bravenak Jan 2017 #22

No, you haven't. unc70 Jan 2017 #72

He attacks us more, so.... bravenak Jan 2017 #75

Changing your rule unc70 Jan 2017 #91

Oh - a new person to BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #305

Wasted Effort Criticizing Sanders. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #457

He never does. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #25

Come on now NWCorona Jan 2017 #35

That's one. Compared to hundreds criticising dems. bravenak Jan 2017 #37

Others can be found if one looks but I do understand that his criticism ruffles some. NWCorona Jan 2017 #41

We didnt lose because of republicans bowens43 Jan 2017 #118

How did that work out for you? bowens43 Jan 2017 #113

Pretty good, actually. 2.9 million more votes for her over tRump. Nearly 4 million more for her BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #121

It wasn't even attempted - Sanders latched on to the D Party like a leech. Lil Missy Jan 2017 #270

Even before the convention he abandoned the Party and registered for re-election in 2018 as "I"! George II Jan 2017 #389

Hostage? Srsly? progressoid Jan 2017 #23

What? You don't like a bit of hyperbole in the morn? bravenak Jan 2017 #28

A bit is fine. That's a cornucopia of hyperbole. progressoid Jan 2017 #151

It was just a side order bravenak Jan 2017 #152

Yeah let the leaders who let Trump beat them continue randr Jan 2017 #40

Become the leadership if you do not like them bravenak Jan 2017 #62

Proud to say I was a delegate for Bernie in a progressive State randr Jan 2017 #67

Good job bravenak Jan 2017 #71

Kick mcar Jan 2017 #46

I can't believe that someone alerted this as "bashing Democratic public figures"!!! George II Jan 2017 #54

That is ridiculous. We are simply doing a post mortem bravenak Jan 2017 #56

Not only that but the person who is presumably being "bashed" (which he isn't!)..... George II Jan 2017 #60

Apparently he has 'protected status' bravenak Jan 2017 #77

Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #306

For your edification: aikoaiko Jan 2017 #80

I don't know why Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #137

Oh I can.. they do it to every one that takes a critical look at Cha Jan 2017 #257

There are a lot of progressives who have become independents because they have lost faith in the RDANGELO Jan 2017 #61

Save it. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #66

that's not true-- but we had a primary and he was beaten fairly clearly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #393

Yes, we had a primary. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #407

that's unfair take, and we're supposed to be nice to Democrats here Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #411

If you are tired of our party Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #364

that may be true, but this election was an obvious choice, and if they didn't vote for HRC Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #392

He doesn't want to be a Democrat, he just want to start a movement.... Historic NY Jan 2017 #68

Pretty much bravenak Jan 2017 #73

The party needs to send a strong message... NCTraveler Jan 2017 #74

I think so too bravenak Jan 2017 #81

How is Ellison not a progressive? I think you're crossing into non-reality land. RBInMaine Jan 2017 #235

Ellison is a solid progressive. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #317

I've yet to hear solid reasons why Sanders can't just register as a Democrat. JHan Jan 2017 #86

Neither have I. Not one bravenak Jan 2017 #140

And that is THE question ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #292

Do you remember when he said that? JHan Jan 2017 #314

He said it in response to a question from Chuck Todd. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #320

Wow, thanks.SMH JHan Jan 2017 #383

"Right ethic"? charlyvi Jan 2017 #414

Great article. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #94

I missed hers, thank the godessses! bravenak Jan 2017 #96

Lol sheshe2 Jan 2017 #260

So get in line... Snackshack Jan 2017 #97

Its simple Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #143

Sanders' message obviously resonated with millions of voters. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #99

Fewer voter were into him than rejected him bravenak Jan 2017 #108

I don't mind that... JHan Jan 2017 #111

he's not saying corporations are bad. He's saying letting them run the henhouse is bad. Nt JCanete Jan 2017 #114

But that's parsing... JHan Jan 2017 #130

It could very likely ensure a conflict of interest, and certainly a very particular world-view, that JCanete Jan 2017 #150

Of course Corporations exercise influence in Washington... JHan Jan 2017 #213

If we had one that resonated, we might start winning for a change. Ligyron Jan 2017 #410

Dear Bernie... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #101

Hear Hear! KPN Jan 2017 #104

The Party did not "let him run". PotatoChip Jan 2017 #238

I am ashamed of the anti Bernies....I thought this was a big tent MaeScott Jan 2017 #381

It's Just Not Pure Enough otohara Jan 2017 #403

Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for money and media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #400

So much petty bullshit. KPN Jan 2017 #103

A-fuxxen-men!!!!! BigBearJohn Jan 2017 #227

Looks like some so called Dems are planning next big loss bowens43 Jan 2017 #112

He Needs videohead5 Jan 2017 #117

Where were all you loyal Dems when the . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #119

So Bernie is twice the democrat than all of us here? Nice to know. bravenak Jan 2017 #146

where were Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #225

Go Bernie! zentrum Jan 2017 #123

You want dems to cower? Why? bravenak Jan 2017 #142

No idea how you got that.... zentrum Jan 2017 #165

Where are all these wonderful bills Bernie got through congress protecting our entitlements? bravenak Jan 2017 #178

Gawd I hope you take us up on that promise LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #245

Thats all in over thirty YEARS? bravenak Jan 2017 #249

I guess you missed this part: LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #259

I said BILLS HE WROTE HIMSELF bravenak Jan 2017 #266

You said: LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #284

I said BILLS not AMENDMENTS to other folks's BILLS bravenak Jan 2017 #286

Bills that became law. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #291

Somebody else did most of the work. bravenak Jan 2017 #294

sigh LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #408

Fantastic! Go Bernie! nt zentrum Jan 2017 #261

K&R Gothmog Jan 2017 #124

Thank you Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #125

Yes. And maybe visit our neighborhoods without a camera crew to show off for bravenak Jan 2017 #139

in my county if no bernie folks...stick a fork in us cause we are done dembotoz Jan 2017 #138

So again Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #147

and if he does the god damn libertarians and greens will poll as much as the dems dembotoz Jan 2017 #199

Keith Ellison is a Democrat heavily involved in the Minnesota's Democratic Party (the DFL). Eric J in MN Jan 2017 #144

I really do not see this as a slam on Ellison bravenak Jan 2017 #149

Except he's not an Independent Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #156

Keep slamming Sanders but just remember that had he been the nominne we would INdemo Jan 2017 #145

No we wouldnt have bravenak Jan 2017 #148

I dont agree at all. INdemo Jan 2017 #159

I do bravenak Jan 2017 #167

Trump would have crushed Sanders in the general election Gothmog Jan 2017 #173

Sanders was on the ballot and underpreformed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #160

Yeah, we want more business as usual lunatica Jan 2017 #158

Let's see Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #183

LOL! lunatica Jan 2017 #193

and yet Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #196

As a staunch Democrat... tonedevil Jan 2017 #163

Does that also include Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #166

Do all 63 million... tonedevil Jan 2017 #195

The Democratic Party chooses to let decline to state voters select its candidate for president. David__77 Jan 2017 #175

And we are dumb to do so outside of California bravenak Jan 2017 #182

I am hoping that the party will outlaw caucuses and encourage more closed primaries next cycle Gothmog Jan 2017 #264

CO Had To Vote To Rid Us of Caucus - Party Can't Outlaw otohara Jan 2017 #396

Texas had to give up the caucus portion of the Texas two step Gothmog Jan 2017 #423

TOTAL BS.... roomtomove Jan 2017 #179

and neither Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #187

So are the Jewish, African American and Latino voters who rejected sanders part of the party? Gothmog Jan 2017 #265

Get over it Peter. You've been major butt hurt since Senator Sanders... Raster Jan 2017 #181

Nope. I am working against FUTURE non democrats being in the position to harm us. bravenak Jan 2017 #186

Agree!!! That job should be reserved for the Ben Nelsons and Max Baucuses and Joe Liebermans of the Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #184

They would never make it to super tuesday in a primary and they are not going to be around long bravenak Jan 2017 #190

Your vast experience is why Value your considerable input on Democratic party issues as much as I do Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #244

If you want to be a member of our party that's fine Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #192

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #197

I like your swatter.... bravenak Jan 2017 #207

meh... pangaia Jan 2017 #203

Let's pretend for a miinute democrank Jan 2017 #222

I am not the one looking for a purity test. I simply want my team to wear the same jerseys bravenak Jan 2017 #224

I'm with the OP Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #226

You're reaching quite a bit.. JHan Jan 2017 #230

I really hate this man. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #243

He really loves attention bravenak Jan 2017 #250

They are also good at liquid diamond Jan 2017 #268

Oh hell yeah bravenak Jan 2017 #273

I can't see a reason for an alert. The closest would be "don't bash Democratic public figures".... George II Jan 2017 #252

Under Don't Bash Democrats in the TOS, Skinner added: DLevine Jan 2017 #415

Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #254

Me Too! otohara Jan 2017 #416

So much wrong with that article LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #247

Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution Gothmog Jan 2017 #262

What's next-Bernie's taking orders from Putin too? Paranoia strikes deep. jalan48 Jan 2017 #255

But I want to know as well - why won't he join the Democratic Party? What's the problem? JHan Jan 2017 #299

What difference does it make? jalan48 Jan 2017 #302

It makes a difference because he is critiquing the structure and inner workings of the party. JHan Jan 2017 #308

He's an Independent. He drew massive crowds in the primary which surprised the hell out of the jalan48 Jan 2017 #310

That doesn't address the why: JHan Jan 2017 #313

I guess you will need to ask him. He's an Independent and right now that's an attractive thing. jalan48 Jan 2017 #315

His Followers Didn't Give A Shit Russians Attack On DNC - Grateful otohara Jan 2017 #431

You're missing a key word here-"some". The "it's all black and white" approach fails again. jalan48 Jan 2017 #433

They All Weren't Wearing Hillary for Prison. T-Shirt otohara Jan 2017 #434

They spoke for all the Sander's supporters in the US? jalan48 Jan 2017 #435

Couldn't agree more with this. Paladin Jan 2017 #256

K+R!!! Bravo. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #258

ADL has 'serious concerns' whether Ellison can lead DNC Gothmog Jan 2017 #263

My thing with him is that he was defending that bullshit coming outta the Farrakhan tribe bravenak Jan 2017 #267

It's one thing to not want the guy to be president...fine, that's your call... Ken Burch Jan 2017 #271

I want him inside the tent pissing out instead of outside pissing in bravenak Jan 2017 #274

Which is an argument for electing Keith. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #280

No. That's called RANSOM bravenak Jan 2017 #281

No...it's called doing what we need to do to win. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #283

Letting him decide the dnc chair will solve all of our problems? Really? bravenak Jan 2017 #285

I guess it doesn't cost the party anything brer cat Jan 2017 #300

We don't have to reject the candidate Bernie supports for DNC chair to hang on to black voters. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #316

Sandders and his supporter repeatedly attacked President Obama Gothmog Jan 2017 #337

I like a lot of what President Obama did and would vote for him again. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #343

Sanders wanted to primary Obama Gothmog Jan 2017 #395

It's "Keith", not "Ken". Ken is MY name, Ken Burch Jan 2017 #425

Have you ever stopped to think why I switched my vote? forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #428

I respect your anger, but I don't actually hold the views you said I hold in that post. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #444

We don't brer cat Jan 2017 #344

My intent was always to say the best of both campaigns Ken Burch Jan 2017 #345

Yes, brer.. I think it's costing a lot.. Well said! Cha Jan 2017 #352

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #338

Well done... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #272

Hear, hear. DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #275

Thanks brave.. I know I really like Tom Perez for DNC Chair.. Cha Jan 2017 #276

I totally support him and I think he will bring us together, rather than divide us bravenak Jan 2017 #277

Definitely not a Divider.. Cha Jan 2017 #278

Reminds me of Obama bravenak Jan 2017 #279

Thanks, Cha! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #307

Hi Blue! #TeamPerez! Cha Jan 2017 #311

I really like Tom Perez Gothmog Jan 2017 #462

where does Tom Perez stand on marijuana legalization? Has he said? Does anybody know? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #282

He says nothing bravenak Jan 2017 #287

I'm sure you agree that, going forward, silence or pretending it's not a "serious" issue Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #289

I'm used to outright hostility so somebody that will stfu if opposed is almost heavenly bravenak Jan 2017 #293

DWS was working with Sheldon Adelson & running to the times with "reefer madness" tropes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #295

I bet they pick somebody else anyway bravenak Jan 2017 #296

For all I know, Perez is the best call. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #297

I truly wish that Bernie would focus BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #303

I would like it if Sanders ran as a Democrat in 2018 Gothmog Jan 2017 #463

I really don't care which BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #475

We're Totally Being Blackmailed otohara Jan 2017 #304

I wont either bravenak Jan 2017 #309

Sanders did enough damage. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #312

We will NEVER see those tax returns bravenak Jan 2017 #318

I know Sec Perez is looking so Good right now.. he is a Uniter! Cha Jan 2017 #351

This Bozo Rosenstein and his ilk had no problems supporting Holy Joe Lieberman Larkspur Jan 2017 #321

Funny how everyone's ignoring that little nugget. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #421

Such Rancor colsohlibgal Jan 2017 #322

If I never hear his name or his voice ever again, I'll be tickled pink. I quit Rachel's show this.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #324

I have not watched msnbc since november and I am happy about it bravenak Jan 2017 #342

I can watch some of Rachel but I love AMJOY Gothmog Jan 2017 #464

I feel bad about missing AMJoy but I'm fully into my full boycott of tvnews bravenak Jan 2017 #466

I had to ease myself back into watching cable Gothmog Jan 2017 #469

Just another Bernie hater. HassleCat Jan 2017 #328

Crab all you want about Bernie, but he is the ONLY person yet alone the only Senator who is STILL napi21 Jan 2017 #330

Agree jknudsen Jan 2017 #331

He is not a god or the only one fighting bravenak Jan 2017 #333

Kinda what I said below, brave.. Cha Jan 2017 #347

It really gets on my nerves bravenak Jan 2017 #348

I know right.. ".. the only one!" No. Cha Jan 2017 #349

No and hell no bravenak Jan 2017 #350

I never called him a god! If he & Warren are not the only ones fighting, tell me who else have napi21 Jan 2017 #398

The congressional black caucus is fighting like mad. Not busy trashing dems and hawking a book bravenak Jan 2017 #418

I don't doubt you, buttt you all need to find out how to get in the daily news. Copy the Con napi21 Jan 2017 #429

Regardless of whether you hear it or not it is happening bravenak Jan 2017 #430

I am friends with Al Green and Sheila Jackson Lee Gothmog Jan 2017 #465

Yes they are and I appreciate them so much. Awesome democrats! bravenak Jan 2017 #468

Al Green tried to marry my middle child at a fundraiser Gothmog Jan 2017 #470

LOL, did he? That's funny. bravenak Jan 2017 #471

I would support Hillary Clinton if she ran for POTUS again Gothmog Jan 2017 #472

I would too, and I dont care what the bros think about it bravenak Jan 2017 #473

Sanders ran for media coverage and is in the process of selling his latest book Gothmog Jan 2017 #339

No, he isn't the only one.. not by a long shot. That's the Cha Jan 2017 #346

Holding it hostage? His message resonates with some supporters... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #340

actually he kind of did Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #366

Bernie is more of a Democrat than most of the Democrats 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #357

Then where was he to oppose the EC confirming Donald Trump? bravenak Jan 2017 #359

Seriously that's what you got? 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #361

and Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #365

He is pretty much the only politician I like. nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #368

He's pretty much the only one you can trust to do what he says. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #369

He is not a Democrat treestar Jan 2017 #378

No you choose not to follow a proven leader. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #417

I am a Democrat treestar Jan 2017 #419

I'll bet all the sheep going to the slaughter felt the same way.. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #420

Nope LittleGirl Jan 2017 #360

Then leave the party Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #367

Way to build a coalition and increase membership. Hats off to you... 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #370

Many people said they would leave the country LittleGirl Jan 2017 #372

HP gets it so wrong sometimes! ananda Jan 2017 #371

HP is owned by AOL LittleGirl Jan 2017 #373

In this case Coolest Ranger Jan 2017 #376

Written like a true moderate Republican bec Jan 2017 #375

I think we've learned never to allow that again treestar Jan 2017 #377

if you care more about the letter after the name... tomp Jan 2017 #379

Blahblahblah yes, Dianne Feinstein speaks for me! Bring back Joe Lieberman! hatrack Jan 2017 #384

Wallstreet already has that postion randr Jan 2017 #387

If he wants to call the shots Politicub Jan 2017 #388

Fuckin' A! Why can't he be a REAL Democrat like this guy -- QC Jan 2017 #391

Bernie needs skin in the game Politicub Jan 2017 #406

The DNC opened our primary to allow Sanders to run, he said he would accept the DNC rules Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #397

Bernie responsible for Hillary losing election! snort Jan 2017 #402

He made Baby Jesus cry!!! QC Jan 2017 #405

What does it mean to be Democrat? It's a brand name for an elite. immoderate Jan 2017 #404

Rosenstein is a moron. There's nothing insightful to his diatribe of fantasy land wannabe kingmaker Exilednight Jan 2017 #413

What a goober Lithos Jan 2017 #426

Because of Sanders continued support, Hillary 'changed' enough to win the popular vote by millions. Sunlei Jan 2017 #445

Truth. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #456

We're still in that vague period in which any criticism of Sanders is bullying LanternWaste Jan 2017 #458

I agree and it's bullshit. We will muddle through bravenak Jan 2017 #459

Good read! Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #474