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Chan790

(20,176 posts)
42. Some questions are easy to answer.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 10:34 AM
Dec 2012

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Because Obama put that stuff on the table and Obama is yet to publicly take it off the table?

WTF ever happened to "The buck stops here" and Presidents that insisted that responsibility lay only with them?

Why President Obama isn't caving [View all] steve2470 Dec 2012 OP
I sure hope he doesn't disappoint otherone Dec 2012 #1
Some people cannot be pleased, no matter what the President does. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #36
His previous deals gave away too much AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #119
He will never please you all. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #135
"You all" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #137
"That doesn’t mean Obama won’t eventually compromise ..." Agreed. It doesn't mean that at all. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #2
He put SS on the table and if he goes through with the doc03 Dec 2012 #3
agreed Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #45
And he kept his word BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #61
Yes, the President is caving or selling us out, why I don't know but xtraxritical Dec 2012 #87
He is Wall Steet! All his financial guys came from there, and will go back there when their time is Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #103
That's *your* interpretation: caving. It's also the Purist-Ideologues' claim, but not BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #130
What is the basis for your argument? Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #106
Sure I can. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #131
Do you have a link? Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #136
Are you still interested in the link? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #138
If they use the chained CPI it is a cut. If they want to fix SS doc03 Dec 2012 #127
Let's remember and be clear: if we do NOTHING, there will be a 22% CUT in 2035. Period. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #132
Apparently you don't live on SS, if you did you doc03 Dec 2012 #141
Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53
I hope you are correct--but I believe the AARP Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #82
We, simply can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #91
I think you're peeing into the wind. Almost eveyone thinks he's caving and they should voice it xtraxritical Dec 2012 #88
I'm not rolling over ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #94
You're not making any difference and even more, are part of the problem. Me thinks troll. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #124
1strong JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #126
So tell this troll ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #128
Which would you prefer, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56
an ablamj Dec 2012 #60
As I am collecting my SS benefit, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #79
"An immediate return" and lifting the income withholding cap. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #89
Purists will never see the bigger picture because of their myopic BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57
Agreeing with you... freshwest Dec 2012 #69
BlueCaliDem you're the "myopic purest" here. Stand up for SS doofus. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #90
Well reasoned argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #95
What's an S.S. doofus? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #133
I agree april Dec 2012 #70
Exactly supercats Dec 2012 #73
Catfood CPI, pullback on tax rates for the wealthiest MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #4
Yup. Some would say that. Over and over again. Even though the cuts have yet to happen, and ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #8
Imagine?! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #11
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109
Some questions are easy to answer. Chan790 Dec 2012 #42
What Table Would That Be? Skraxx Dec 2012 #113
The table is the negotiations. Chan790 Dec 2012 #114
Really? There Are Currently Negotiatons Discussing SS Cuts? I Must Have Missed That, Please Provide Skraxx Dec 2012 #116
This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #49
Interesting how you try to divert attention MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #51
If I'm willing to let you make me an offer for my mint condition special edition babe ruth JoePhilly Dec 2012 #65
Ok, point to specific posts and let's see my moving goal posts. Nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #100
WTF? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #104
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108
Who Is This "Most of Us" Who Agree? Skraxx Dec 2012 #117
If anyone touches SS, be they Dem or Rep, that party will not win an election for decades. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #92
Or, he's daring them to say what the GOP does not really want to say out loud. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101
If I had a dollar for all the "wrong" prognostications by that one, I could fix the deficit. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #54
Can you supply links to a few? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #55
Every DU thread predicting Obama would cave during the debt ceiling fight. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #66
Well, "Emo Progs" like me, Bernie Sanders, the Congressional Progressive MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #74
So Obama stands his ground, we go over the cliff, and you still claim he caved. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102
I said all of that? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #105
All you did was redefine "cave". JoePhilly Dec 2012 #107
He's not caving because he won and can't run again. He owes the repubs nothing. craigmatic Dec 2012 #5
As in... 'You get nothing.' We're already watching Grover squeal... freshwest Dec 2012 #6
I am with you and Craigmatic here. sheshe2 Dec 2012 #17
I haz old picchur 4 dat: freshwest Dec 2012 #24
OMG...Perfect! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #27
OMG! That's so CUTE!! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #58
Mandate Electorally--He Whooped Romney Shuhered Dec 2012 #7
I guess when you volunteer FIRST, it's not technically caving MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #9
He has to work with a Republican House Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #16
I don't accept that excuse. SS above all things should be non-negotiable. Voluntarily offering it up MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #22
Just saying that there are going to be some concessions made that we aren't all going to be happy w/ Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #25
The "fiscal cliff" is a completely GOP fabricated "crisis". So what if nothing is done, xtraxritical Dec 2012 #93
So You're Ok With UI running Out For Millions? Skraxx Dec 2012 #122
I do not except that excuse either. Social Security is not and never was a part of the debt or the RC Dec 2012 #80
Pre-emptive excusery Doctor_J Dec 2012 #23
Obama does John2 Dec 2012 #31
^^This!!^^ Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #43
But SS has nothing to do with the deficit nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #32
The catch is theaocp Dec 2012 #40
Giving away SS for the sake of compromise tells me Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #46
I support Obama, but DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #10
Well Spoken. K&R 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #12
It is a sad day for the Once Proud New Deal Party... bvar22 Dec 2012 #13
Nice post, and sadly so true. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2012 #18
If Obama weighs in strongly in favor of ANY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #21
Funny you should mention 'vanity posts' Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #30
+1000 SHRED Dec 2012 #26
That is exactly what this country needs nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #33
Too true pandr32 Dec 2012 #47
Bvar22 nails it once again. woo me with science Dec 2012 #64
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #77
Well said. Kicking. n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #125
He already caved, Chakab Dec 2012 #14
How so? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #67
President Obama has worked hard to meet Republicans halfway (maybe even more) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #15
And why would they do that? n/t theaocp Dec 2012 #41
I don't think that they will- until they are so far in the minority that they don't even matter Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #81
Is this satire? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #19
The President has stated that Social Security is in NO WAY responsible for the Deficit, bvar22 Dec 2012 #139
That's a great video you found nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #140
Fuck compromise! Spryguy Dec 2012 #20
Yes. How many Trillions have fredamae Dec 2012 #52
with the specter of a renewed recession lingering just over the horizon DJ13 Dec 2012 #28
How do you know all this? jerseyjack Dec 2012 #29
My understanding is HR4310 was just passed last week, which doesn't cut anything..... dmosh42 Dec 2012 #34
Really, the only ones facing a cliff is Big War. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #38
But..but..but... davidpdx Dec 2012 #35
Sorry, cutting old folks safety net, while saving Big War, is a cave, IMHO. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #37
Agreed nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #39
There Were Cuts To The Safety Net? Skraxx Dec 2012 #44
The Payroll Tax Reduction NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #48
So people's benfits have been cut?? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #50
That Cut Benefits? On What Planet? Skraxx Dec 2012 #59
United States, EARTH! SugarShack Dec 2012 #62
And Those Cuts Were.....?? Skraxx Dec 2012 #72
On the table. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #84
So No Cuts Then? Skraxx Dec 2012 #85
YES, he is offering up cuts to social security to the republicans in the negotiations, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #96
Where Are These Cuts? They've Happened? Or They Are Part of Some Deal? Please, Show Them To Me Skraxx Dec 2012 #97
Where are the benefit cuts? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #63
They are on the table, they are the goal. The other goal is defending the Big War budget.... grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #68
So You Admit There Have Not Been Any Cuts? Skraxx Dec 2012 #71
No, the SS tax cuts damage the long term solvency of Social Security, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #83
So No Benefit Cuts? Skraxx Dec 2012 #86
For God's sake, yes, he is offering cuts, ie, has caved already. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #98
He Is? Really? Pray Tell, I Must Have Missed Some Deal That Was Made, Please Fill Me In On All The Skraxx Dec 2012 #99
They are redefining the meaning of "cave" now that they realize that Obama is not going JoePhilly Dec 2012 #110
I See, So Now, To Some People, Hypothetical Discussions are now Caving? Skraxx Dec 2012 #112
And, if I allow you to make a bid for my babe ruth rookie card, clearly I want to give it to you. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #115
The OP is "Obama isn't caving". The OP is not talking about a final deal, but the process. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #121
Well then, where did he accept cuts and cave? Skraxx Dec 2012 #123
Here you go, from the Washington Post, but actually, I hope your right. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #129
So Those Cuts Are Part of Some Deal? Skraxx Dec 2012 #134
Congress is our problem not BO. nt patrice Dec 2012 #76
He should stick to an absolute no on chained CPI. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #78
I've never lost faith in him....NEVER! Hulk Dec 2012 #111
I knew I would see the critics pissing on President Obama loyalkydem Dec 2012 #118
This thread is hilarious. And sad. But mostly hilarious Number23 Dec 2012 #120
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