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Why President Obama isn't caving [View all] steve2470 Dec 2012 OP
I sure hope he doesn't disappoint otherone Dec 2012 #1
Some people cannot be pleased, no matter what the President does. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #36
His previous deals gave away too much AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #119
He will never please you all. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #135
"You all" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #137
"That doesn’t mean Obama won’t eventually compromise ..." Agreed. It doesn't mean that at all. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #2
He put SS on the table and if he goes through with the doc03 Dec 2012 #3
agreed Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #45
And he kept his word BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #61
Yes, the President is caving or selling us out, why I don't know but xtraxritical Dec 2012 #87
He is Wall Steet! All his financial guys came from there, and will go back there when their time is Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #103
That's *your* interpretation: caving. It's also the Purist-Ideologues' claim, but not BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #130
What is the basis for your argument? Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #106
Sure I can. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #131
Do you have a link? Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #136
Are you still interested in the link? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #138
If they use the chained CPI it is a cut. If they want to fix SS doc03 Dec 2012 #127
Let's remember and be clear: if we do NOTHING, there will be a 22% CUT in 2035. Period. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #132
Apparently you don't live on SS, if you did you doc03 Dec 2012 #141
Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53
I hope you are correct--but I believe the AARP Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #82
We, simply can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #91
I think you're peeing into the wind. Almost eveyone thinks he's caving and they should voice it xtraxritical Dec 2012 #88
I'm not rolling over ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #94
You're not making any difference and even more, are part of the problem. Me thinks troll. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #124
1strong JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #126
So tell this troll ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #128
Which would you prefer, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56
an ablamj Dec 2012 #60
As I am collecting my SS benefit, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #79
"An immediate return" and lifting the income withholding cap. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #89
Purists will never see the bigger picture because of their myopic BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #57
Agreeing with you... freshwest Dec 2012 #69
BlueCaliDem you're the "myopic purest" here. Stand up for SS doofus. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #90
Well reasoned argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #95
What's an S.S. doofus? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #133
I agree april Dec 2012 #70
Exactly supercats Dec 2012 #73
Catfood CPI, pullback on tax rates for the wealthiest MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #4
Yup. Some would say that. Over and over again. Even though the cuts have yet to happen, and ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #8
Imagine?! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #11
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109
Some questions are easy to answer. Chan790 Dec 2012 #42
What Table Would That Be? Skraxx Dec 2012 #113
The table is the negotiations. Chan790 Dec 2012 #114
Really? There Are Currently Negotiatons Discussing SS Cuts? I Must Have Missed That, Please Provide Skraxx Dec 2012 #116
This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!! JoePhilly Dec 2012 #49
Interesting how you try to divert attention MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #51
If I'm willing to let you make me an offer for my mint condition special edition babe ruth JoePhilly Dec 2012 #65
Ok, point to specific posts and let's see my moving goal posts. Nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #100
WTF? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #104
Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108
Who Is This "Most of Us" Who Agree? Skraxx Dec 2012 #117
If anyone touches SS, be they Dem or Rep, that party will not win an election for decades. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #92
Or, he's daring them to say what the GOP does not really want to say out loud. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101
If I had a dollar for all the "wrong" prognostications by that one, I could fix the deficit. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #54
Can you supply links to a few? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #55
Every DU thread predicting Obama would cave during the debt ceiling fight. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #66
Well, "Emo Progs" like me, Bernie Sanders, the Congressional Progressive MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #74
So Obama stands his ground, we go over the cliff, and you still claim he caved. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102
I said all of that? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #105
All you did was redefine "cave". JoePhilly Dec 2012 #107
He's not caving because he won and can't run again. He owes the repubs nothing. craigmatic Dec 2012 #5
As in... 'You get nothing.' We're already watching Grover squeal... freshwest Dec 2012 #6
I am with you and Craigmatic here. sheshe2 Dec 2012 #17
I haz old picchur 4 dat: freshwest Dec 2012 #24
OMG...Perfect! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #27
OMG! That's so CUTE!! BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #58
Mandate Electorally--He Whooped Romney Shuhered Dec 2012 #7
I guess when you volunteer FIRST, it's not technically caving MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #9
He has to work with a Republican House Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #16
I don't accept that excuse. SS above all things should be non-negotiable. Voluntarily offering it up MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #22
Just saying that there are going to be some concessions made that we aren't all going to be happy w/ Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #25
The "fiscal cliff" is a completely GOP fabricated "crisis". So what if nothing is done, xtraxritical Dec 2012 #93
So You're Ok With UI running Out For Millions? Skraxx Dec 2012 #122
I do not except that excuse either. Social Security is not and never was a part of the debt or the RC Dec 2012 #80
Pre-emptive excusery Doctor_J Dec 2012 #23
Obama does John2 Dec 2012 #31
^^This!!^^ Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #43
But SS has nothing to do with the deficit nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #32
The catch is theaocp Dec 2012 #40
Giving away SS for the sake of compromise tells me Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #46
I support Obama, but DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #10
Well Spoken. K&R 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #12
It is a sad day for the Once Proud New Deal Party... bvar22 Dec 2012 #13
Nice post, and sadly so true. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2012 #18
If Obama weighs in strongly in favor of ANY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #21
Funny you should mention 'vanity posts' Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #30
+1000 SHRED Dec 2012 #26
That is exactly what this country needs nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #33
Too true pandr32 Dec 2012 #47
Bvar22 nails it once again. woo me with science Dec 2012 #64
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #77
Well said. Kicking. n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #125
He already caved, Chakab Dec 2012 #14
How so? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #67
President Obama has worked hard to meet Republicans halfway (maybe even more) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #15
And why would they do that? n/t theaocp Dec 2012 #41
I don't think that they will- until they are so far in the minority that they don't even matter Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #81
Is this satire? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #19
The President has stated that Social Security is in NO WAY responsible for the Deficit, bvar22 Dec 2012 #139
That's a great video you found nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #140
Fuck compromise! Spryguy Dec 2012 #20
Yes. How many Trillions have fredamae Dec 2012 #52
with the specter of a renewed recession lingering just over the horizon DJ13 Dec 2012 #28
How do you know all this? jerseyjack Dec 2012 #29
My understanding is HR4310 was just passed last week, which doesn't cut anything..... dmosh42 Dec 2012 #34
Really, the only ones facing a cliff is Big War. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #38
But..but..but... davidpdx Dec 2012 #35
Sorry, cutting old folks safety net, while saving Big War, is a cave, IMHO. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #37
Agreed nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #39
There Were Cuts To The Safety Net? Skraxx Dec 2012 #44
The Payroll Tax Reduction NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #48
So people's benfits have been cut?? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #50
That Cut Benefits? On What Planet? Skraxx Dec 2012 #59
United States, EARTH! SugarShack Dec 2012 #62
And Those Cuts Were.....?? Skraxx Dec 2012 #72
On the table. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #84
So No Cuts Then? Skraxx Dec 2012 #85
YES, he is offering up cuts to social security to the republicans in the negotiations, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #96
Where Are These Cuts? They've Happened? Or They Are Part of Some Deal? Please, Show Them To Me Skraxx Dec 2012 #97
Where are the benefit cuts? BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #63
They are on the table, they are the goal. The other goal is defending the Big War budget.... grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #68
So You Admit There Have Not Been Any Cuts? Skraxx Dec 2012 #71
No, the SS tax cuts damage the long term solvency of Social Security, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #83
So No Benefit Cuts? Skraxx Dec 2012 #86
For God's sake, yes, he is offering cuts, ie, has caved already. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #98
He Is? Really? Pray Tell, I Must Have Missed Some Deal That Was Made, Please Fill Me In On All The Skraxx Dec 2012 #99
They are redefining the meaning of "cave" now that they realize that Obama is not going JoePhilly Dec 2012 #110
I See, So Now, To Some People, Hypothetical Discussions are now Caving? Skraxx Dec 2012 #112
And, if I allow you to make a bid for my babe ruth rookie card, clearly I want to give it to you. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #115
The OP is "Obama isn't caving". The OP is not talking about a final deal, but the process. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #121
Well then, where did he accept cuts and cave? Skraxx Dec 2012 #123
Here you go, from the Washington Post, but actually, I hope your right. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #129
So Those Cuts Are Part of Some Deal? Skraxx Dec 2012 #134
Congress is our problem not BO. nt patrice Dec 2012 #76
He should stick to an absolute no on chained CPI. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #78
I've never lost faith in him....NEVER! Hulk Dec 2012 #111
I knew I would see the critics pissing on President Obama loyalkydem Dec 2012 #118
This thread is hilarious. And sad. But mostly hilarious Number23 Dec 2012 #120
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